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Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any...

I think I got along way better with David Taylor than I did @WPM, though.

Except I'm not taking these things in the literal sense in Matthew 24:15-20. Therefore, literal mountains is a moot point. Literal mountains only make sense per that context if the first century leading up to 70 AD is what is in view in those verses. Some argue that the first century leading up...

At least we agree there is no pretrib rapture. Except we should know that Luke 17 is connected with abominations the fact Jesus used the days of Lot as an example, and that it was because of abominations taking place at the time being why God had to destroy that place.

Nothing bizarre about it. You just don't understand that some of us have a history with each other that goes way back. I don't think any of us hate each other though it is possible that @WPM might hate me. I don't think he's ever had anything good to say about me. But it is what it is, I guess.

I remember those days back then on bibleforums.org. He had some issues with me back then and I with him. And it still continues to this day. I went by the username divaD at the time, David spelled backwards. I guess because the username David was already taken by someone else at the time.

Unless you haven't noticed, both Luke 17 and Revelation 18, for example, involve fleeing. Do you take the fleeing in those chapters in the literal sense as well? Luke 17:28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded...

If I take the time to do it, I'm thinking I can prove that both Matthew 24 and Luke 21 are indeed involving the same Discourse. Even though I think they are, that still doesn't have to mean that what Luke 21 is involving in regards to fleeing is what Matthew 24 is involving in regards to...

To begin with you are not applying this to the correct era of time, thus this has zero to do with tribulation. Try comparing the following instead. Luke 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the...

If it was required to believe this nonsense in order to be a Premil, I would abandon Premil in a heartbeat based on this alone. Thankfully one doesn't have to believe this nonsense in order to be Premil. I'm not going to lie. I'm not entirely certain how to interpret Ezekiel 40-48, but I am...

And so is some of the wording in Luke 17 and some of Matthew 24 intensely similar. For example. Luke 17:24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day. 25 But first must he suffer...

What I don't get about some of these interpreters such as SI, does not Revelation 19 involve the 2nd coming? And the fact SI agrees it does, where then anywhere in Revelation 19 does it give the impression anyone is being burned to a crisp because the surface of the entire planet is literally...

What in the world do you then think Jesus could have possibly meant by---no, nor shall ever be---if not that it will be the greatest tribulation since the beginning of time, and that no tribulation in the future will be as great? You can't even discern the difference between tribulation and...

I argue that just because Matthew 24:16 and Luke 21:21 use almost identical language this doesn't necessarily mean they are the same event. You argue that it does mean they are the same event. Then I argue that because Luke 17:31 and Matthew 24:17 are using almost identical language this means...

Clearly, Luke 21:20 is pertaining to what eventually happened in 70 AD. But that doesn't mean so is Matthew 24:15-21. Like I already pointed out, Revelation 7.9 is involving great tribulation that can't be matched nor surpassed in greatness. And that Jesus said in Matthew 24:21, pertaining to...

Obviously, these things would have to be meaning in the literal sense for certain if these things are involving the first century. Which means you then encounter this problem at the time since the timing would be way before 70 AD ever arrives. Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the...

I never said Revelation 18 had anything to do with those in Judea fleeing to the mountains. I only used Revelation 18 to prove that fleeing to somewhere is not meaning in the literal sense every single time. Which can then mean that maybe it's not meaning in the literal sense in Matthew 24:15-20...

This post here I can relate to. Sounds like we might be on the same page. Maybe. Yet it is not entirely clear to me what your position is concerning the holy place Jesus mentioned in Matthew 24:15. One thing that is clear to me, you don't take it to be involving a rebuilt temple in the future...

The way I look at it, if I'm the only person on the entire planet that has concluded something that no other person has concluded, my chances of being correct are zero. I at least have enough sense to realize that. But if others have concluded pretty much the same thing, even if they are not in...

You mean submit to all those false teacher leaders like I used to do in the 80s? Thanks, but no thanks. Not to mention, the churches in the 80s I used to attend were somewhat mega churches. Easy to get lost in the crowd and no one even acknowledging that you are there unless you come with a...