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At the risk of frustrating the question, I think it's precisely because they (the elders) are, indeed, metaphorical. Proverbs 24:17 certainly helps to make a good case for such an interpretation. Sorry, Sis. :( How are you, btw? :hearteyes: .

The last one I got came from Ollie's Discount Warehouse. :P .

Seems like a useful guide for folks who are inclined to judge Sabbath-keepers. I wonder how well such a guide for the purpose of judging Sabbath-decliners/objectors would be received. .

I think your opinion as to what it means would be more pertinent to why you're pressing the question. Sorry, but my Poker face is pretty lousy, and if you're playing the ex-Adventist card, the gloves are off, my friend. .

It's rhetorical—intended to provoke thought in the minds of any who might be reading. Sorry, but I'd rather not derail the thread by entertaining questionable curiosity. Paul seems to be making a clear distinction in 1 Corinthians 7:19. And I'm not interested in "judging" anyone, although...

Are we to assume, then, that Matthew 21:43 was included in Scripture by mistake or, worse yet, that Christ was a false prophet? 1 Corinthians 7:19 — Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters. Paul is here trying to help us out...

Matthew 21:43 — “Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it. Galatians 3:29 — And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. .

I'm still not sure how this is well illustrated by a woman shaving her head. :) .

How, exactly? (Hi, Scott! :waves:)

"No... But..." is not a very good answer, btw. .

Where's the yardstick for this? Because at the first mention of the 4th commandment, you invariably get people who insist you've crossed over into "looked down on" territory—it literally never fails. Folks can argue about nearly any other issue and the "judgment/condemnation" accusations are...

All of this hair splitting just makes me want to take a nap. I didn't say you don't believe in imparted righteousness—I put it in the form of a question. And now you have gone to Olympian lengths to try and make sure that justification is seen to be held in far higher regard by you than...

Do you think advising others to abstain from breaking the other nine commandments, "saved" or not, is falling from grace? .

What a coincidence! Me too! But I've only been in that position for 34 years. :( .

I don't think it will count unless it comes from one of Paul's epistles (which I just love, btw). And you should only quote the ones that are controversial, or seem to be (but actually are not) contradictory to other Scripture. That's really popular and folks around here really like that. ;) .

So you only subscribe to imputed righteousness—not imparted? Should we walk also as Christ Himself walked? Was His righteousness on Earth only imputed or was it also characterized by the righteous works He did? .

It's just barely possible that some folks don't like to oblige virtual inquisitions caused by morbid pharisaical curiosity. .

I see. "He started it. I needed to reply." I used to take that approach... when I was 7. .

Which is still just a big, fat straw man. .

We probably ought to get back on topic, by the way. Just sayin'. .