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  1. Timtofly

    HELLUCINATIONS

    Why do you use the word "Christian" to make your point? Was Abraham a Christian? Was Moses a Christian? Was Daniel a Christian? All people are going to die after the 6th Seal is opened. This is not about persecution nor martyrdom. The church is removed at the 5th Seal, because Jesus and...
  2. Timtofly

    The difference between The Resurrection and the first resurrection.

    The whole reason you are wrong, is that these beheaded are beheaded after the Second Coming. You have them beheaded prior to the Second Coming, which is impossible. Did you know that only God can birth you into God's family, not you? If those people who will be beheaded had the second...
  3. Timtofly

    The difference between The Resurrection and the first resurrection.

    Sorry but God's permanent incorruptible physical body is made in heaven by God, not from dust of the earth. No dust is going to be reconstituted for those with the second birth. They have already passed from death to life, and are only waiting for the soul to leave this dead body, made of...
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    The difference between The Resurrection and the first resurrection.

    These verses not only apply to ages, but the resurrection as well. The resurrection is not limited to ages as Amil imply. There are also different ages and there is no such thing as an eternal age. Paul stated: "That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his...
  5. Timtofly

    The difference between The Resurrection and the first resurrection.

    You have the wrong description of physical death for those of the second birth, even though many think Paul meant those asleep are still physically dead. No, no one in Christ is still physically dead in Paradise. Nor do they "sleep", as why would a permanent incorruptible physical body need...
  6. Timtofly

    The difference between The Resurrection and the first resurrection.

    This is totally misrepresenting premil, even if almost every premil believes this. You all seem to believe this as well, so worse than premil. All premil states, as a simple single basic principle; is that Jesus is announced King over all nation's at the 7th Trumpet, and will continue to...
  7. Timtofly

    The difference between The Resurrection and the first resurrection.

    It is difficult to get Amil to see that being made alive is having both a soul and physical body. A soul is dead and in death in Adam's dead corruptible flesh, and also dead not having a physical body. Being physically dead is a soul not having God's permanent incorruptible physical body...
  8. Timtofly

    The difference between The Resurrection and the first resurrection.

    Continued.. Now consider how these future humans are beheaded and when. You claim they were beheaded prior to the first advent, as they were given life during those thousand years you claim have already exceeded 1900+ years. Or they are just symbolic, and not really people, not really dead...
  9. Timtofly

    The difference between The Resurrection and the first resurrection.

    You have failed again. The dead were resurrected at the Cross. There has been a 1994 year gap between the first resurrection of the OT out of Abraham's bosom, and even the Second Coming. Can you find any corroborate Scripture that declares Jesus will return in 2,000 years? Was the Cross...
  10. Timtofly

    The difference between The Resurrection and the first resurrection.

    And you and amil company are wrong, because water is the physical, and you all deny a physical body in Paradise. One cannot even enter Paradise unless they have God's permanent incorruptible physical body. That is why they waited as souls in Abraham's bosom. Certainly a soul would have...
  11. Timtofly

    The difference between The Resurrection and the first resurrection.

    Paul never wrote that any where in Scripture. That is your own imagination at work. Those under the law, who disobeyed the law, physically died. That is what happened. The punishment was not being spiritually shunned like some modern protestants, or excommunicated like the catholics. Some...
  12. Timtofly

    The difference between The Resurrection and the first resurrection.

    The sun, moon, and stars are not physical. They are God's heavenly host of angels. If you all think they are physical things as science teaches, you are stuck on human deception, instead of God's Word. What we see in the firmament are the heavenly host most would call that which is spiritual...
  13. Timtofly

    The difference between The Resurrection and the first resurrection.

    How did that work out for all those in the OT prior to the Cross, including Lazarus, who had not received the second birth? They had to wait for a physical resurrection, remaining as a soul, in Abraham's bosom. They were not resurrected to obtain the second birth. They were physically...
  14. Timtofly

    The difference between The Resurrection and the first resurrection.

    And Revelation 20:4-6 is not talking about the resurrection of Jesus Christ, so the first resurrection is physical, not this doctrine of man you are declaring as being preeminent. Lazarus did experience the first resurrection as he had a new permanent incorruptible physical body, and was not...
  15. Timtofly

    The difference between The Resurrection and the first resurrection.

    Paul never said Jesus was the first resurrection. Paul said Jesus was the first to be resurrected. Only John in Revelation 20 defines the first resurrection. Amil change Scripture to change what John defined as the first resurrection. Was Jesus defined in Revelation 20:4-6? Paul was not...
  16. Timtofly

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    These people do not die to enter heaven. That would mean Jesus died to enter heaven, because they follow Jesus. You say they follow Jesus even through death. That is you adding physical death into the Word of God. In chapter 7 they are on the earth and sealed. These 144k do go through...
  17. Timtofly

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    Do you believe in the living dead? That is a soul walking around in heaven without a physical body? Lazarus came out of his grave with a physical body, and has had that same physical body since ascending to heaven on resurrection Sunday, when Jesus ascended after talking to Mary. All of the...
  18. Timtofly

    Not ALL the physically dead are raised at the same time, the dead in Christ rise FIRST.

    Those in Revelation 20 have not even been beheaded yet. They are not random martyrs from the last 2 a thousand years. These are not the church beheaded for their beliefs. These are not those of Israel beheaded by the church for heresy. These people are beheaded after the Second Coming has...
  19. Timtofly

    The Rapture - At Any Hour

    Rightly dividing God's Word is not using a sledgehammer. Human teachings that add additional steps to God's Word outside of the Bible are 12lb. sledge hammers forcing man's understanding into Scripture. You all don't seem to understand what is even involved in the Confirmation of the...
  20. Timtofly

    The Rapture - At Any Hour

    Actually that is not how Jesus said it. Only God knows if there will be an AoD. Jesus never said there will be. He said "when it happens", not "that it will happen". Human interpretation can make Jesus say anything. If the AoD never happens, no one will have to flee.