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    Once OSAS Always OSAS

    Selfishness is evil - a concept theology It strikes me certain groups focus on one idea and then make everything sound like it comes from this idea. So anything to do with ourselves is rejecting God and asserting self righteousness. Perfect love casts out fear, so fear is sinful. Everything not...
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    Once OSAS Always OSAS

    I am confused with your language. As a child to be selfish is to take something and not share it. The fall of man was Adams desire for knowledge of good and evil despite being told he would die. So he chose knowledge over life. The desire in mankind for life, a solution to death, is very much...
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    The Problems of Perpetual Belief Alone Salvation-ism.

    Phrases and their meaning should never be seen in isolation. There is a perspective that declares from the beginning of time God knew man would fall and that Jesus would have to go to the cross as the atoning sacrifice. Equally all the suffering of existence, children born with horrendous...
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    Once OSAS Always OSAS

    "The cause of sin in man is selfishness." your proposal I would like to test this with a few perspectives. It is selfish to desire to be saved, to have peace, to be loved, to have security, food, health, to be blessed. King David wrote lots of Psalms asking God for blessing on himself and not...
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    Once OSAS Always OSAS

    Is sin an absolute? Some believe being human is to be sinful. They put Jesus therefore as never being human, so could be sinless. If being human is not sinful, what then causes sinful behaviour? If thoughts are sinful, what thoughts and how is a thought ok and another one sinful? Scripture...
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    Once OSAS Always OSAS

    How would you describe the cause of sin in man? And how would you say we are going to be perfect with Christ on the new earth? The answer to this question actually dictates our theology and walk with Jesus. Sometimes we end up discussing things with others which are actually from different root...
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    The Problems of Perpetual Belief Alone Salvation-ism.

    Scripture and the Lord is complex. When Elijah was being shown the nature of God it came out like this The LORD said, "Go out and stand on the mountain in the presence of the LORD, for the LORD is about to pass by." Then a great and powerful wind tore the mountains apart and shattered the...
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    The Problems of Perpetual Belief Alone Salvation-ism.

    I assume you are trying to address me. "in your belief" - this is an all encompassing statement about my belief which I have not shared. Maybe you know something more than I do, but your description, "chastisement does not serve any purpose" is not something I hold to. Repentance, humbleness...
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    The Problems of Perpetual Belief Alone Salvation-ism.

    As a reader of this thread, you appear to have projected an idea being stated and then proposed an argument that puts this statement in a different light. Please could you state the proposition you are discussing, so that it is clear what you are saying, else it appears you are simply talking...
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    Once OSAS Always OSAS

    Dear EG, You appear not to be able to answer the questions about heaven. Is this because OSAS only works with generalities and not Jesus? Dangerous for our souls to dismiss sin, hate, unforgiveness as things we can live with and know Christ. I have already had people show anger...
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    Once OSAS Always OSAS

    OSAS is an interesting absolute. Because it's an absolute you get believers who are followers and some reprobates claiming the same reality. This complete inconsistency is the issue, it destroys everything of value in the Kingdom. If a believer can be an unrepentant mass murderer or a loving...
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    The Problems of Perpetual Belief Alone Salvation-ism.

    The "and" is an important condition of Pauls declaration. What I declared is saying "Jesus is Lord" is an affirmation of who He is but that is not enough to enter the Kingdom. How is it that I have failed to speak the truth? All actors learn words to play a part. Unbelievers read prayers and...
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    The Problems of Perpetual Belief Alone Salvation-ism.

    Thank you for pointing out your difficulty in handling my use of concepts. The Lord through His will and power gives us choice. He chooses not to force our choices but to allow them. So the Lord is soveriegn but we are allowed to walk away. It is why there appears a contradiction but it is...
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    Once OSAS Always OSAS

    A problem with absolutes. They describe something that must be true from all angles, something that cannot shift or change. Everything in our lives is dependent on one thing, our perception. Once that shifts, everything is up for grabs. Once saved always saved is an absolutest statement. In...
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    The Problems of Perpetual Belief Alone Salvation-ism.

    There are different perspectives which are all true, but sound contradictatory. Does a teacher make the pupil learn? Does an ox yoked to an older ox chose to copy what the old ox is doing? So when you are talking about the Creator, everything we do is a gift and through His will, and by His...
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    The Problems of Perpetual Belief Alone Salvation-ism.

    I wonder after reading some of your other posts, do you not realise you have decided who and what God is before reading His own words and His own description of how He interacts with others. To follow God means you follow a God who wrestled with Jacob 24 So Jacob was left alone, and a man...
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    The Problems of Perpetual Belief Alone Salvation-ism.

    "God does not wait on you to allow jack squat." - quote, but is this Gods revelation. The nature of love is to be a servant, literally. Jesus washed His disciples feet to get this point over. 14 Now that I, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also should wash one another's feet...
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    The Problems of Perpetual Belief Alone Salvation-ism.

    20 Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me. Rev 3:20 8 "Still other seed fell on good soil. It came up and yielded a crop, a hundred times more than was sown." When he said this, he called out, "He...
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    Your favorite Psalm?

    Psalm 1 1 Blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked or stand in the way of sinners or sit in the seat of mockers. 2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD, and on his law he meditates day and night. 3 He is like a tree planted by streams of water, which yields its...
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    The Problems of Perpetual Belief Alone Salvation-ism.

    12 Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed--not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence--continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, Phil 2:12 It is a good point, Paul is instructing people to obey, not just believe, or think everything will be fine...