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  1. jeffweeder

    What is the mystery that Paul references in 1 Corinthians 15:51-52? Is it the rapture (catching up to Christ) as pretrib teaches or something else?

    Both the living and the dead are changed in a twinkling of an eye at his coming. We are changed so fast that you don't have time to realize you are dead to mortality and alive to immortality. Heb 9 27 And just as it is appointed and destined for all men to die once and after this [comes...
  2. jeffweeder

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    Revelation 17:10 and they are seven kings: five of whom have fallen, one exists and is reigning; the other [the seventh] has not yet come, and when he does come, he must remain a little while. At the time of writing who was reigning?
  3. jeffweeder

    What is the mystery that Paul references in 1 Corinthians 15:51-52? Is it the rapture (catching up to Christ) as pretrib teaches or something else?

    Why didn't you just answer the questions? jeffweeder said: So, which coming is the Apostle Paul a part of? IF you are right, why did Paul only inform the Thessalonians and Corinthians in part? Both are caught up together to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. 5 For we say...
  4. jeffweeder

    What is the mystery that Paul references in 1 Corinthians 15:51-52? Is it the rapture (catching up to Christ) as pretrib teaches or something else?

    Absolutely. Its further clarified here..., 2Thess 1 9 These people will pay the penalty and endure the punishment of everlasting destruction, banished from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day , and to be marveled...
  5. jeffweeder

    What is the mystery that Paul references in 1 Corinthians 15:51-52? Is it the rapture (catching up to Christ) as pretrib teaches or something else?

    So, which coming is the Apostle Paul a part of? IF you are right, why did Paul only inform the Thessalonians and Corinthians in part? Paul informed the Thessalonian's that what he was teaching them was the Lords own word..., 15 For we say this to you by the Lord’s [own] word, that we who are...
  6. jeffweeder

    What is the mystery that Paul references in 1 Corinthians 15:51-52? Is it the rapture (catching up to Christ) as pretrib teaches or something else?

    Yes. Whether we are alive or dead when Jesus comes a second time, we will all be changed at that moment. That is, we put on our glorified body and inherit the kingdom he prepared for us. That is not all that happens on that day, as the Lord is actually coming in vengeance to eternally separate...
  7. jeffweeder

    What Christ's Olivet Discourse Actually... Teaches, And To Whom

    Took the words right out of my mouth. Most of the eschatology I heard in Church I couldn't agree with because of the many Scriptures I read. I agree. Jesus said, after the temple is destroyed the end would not come immediately. He also said Jews would then go into exile to the nations, which...
  8. jeffweeder

    What Christ's Olivet Discourse Actually... Teaches, And To Whom

    I voted partial for the following highlighted reasons..., 24 Jesus left the temple area and was going on His way when His disciples came up to Him to call His attention to the [magnificent and massive] buildings of the temple. 2 And He said to them, “Do you see all these things? I assure you...
  9. jeffweeder

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    You seem to pretend that "until Messiah being after 69 weeks" is not part of the text. “Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall...
  10. jeffweeder

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    Lazarus resurrection was not the resurrection to a glorified body. He died again because the Holy Spirit had not yet been given. The Holy Spirit was not given till after Jesus was resurrected to Glory/ Glorified body like the Lords glorified body comes to those who are Born again and Spirit filled.
  11. jeffweeder

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    The living are changed to a new body and the dead rise with their new body, and together (simultaneously) they meet the Lord in the air. 16 For the Lord Himself will come down from heaven with a shout of command, with the voice of the [b]archangel and with the [blast of the] trumpet of God, and...
  12. jeffweeder

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    Only when you are an unbeliever. The repentant sinner is filled with the Spirit, because the soul has been saved. Amen
  13. jeffweeder

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    All of us watch for Jesus. The danger in preaching a pretribulation is that a new convert may be unprepared when eventually faced with great tribulation. We should preach that tribulations will come our way, as Scripture states, even to the point of being killed for the faith like the Apostles...
  14. jeffweeder

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    Back up a verse for the answer. 24 “I assure you and most solemnly say to you, the person who hears My word [the one who heeds My message], and believes and trusts in Him who sent Me, has (possesses now) eternal life [that is, eternal life actually begins—the believer is transformed], and does...
  15. jeffweeder

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    The dead in Christ rise first once Jesus descends from heaven at his second coming. What would be the point of that if they already have their physical body? Romans 8:23 And not only this, but we too, who have the first fruits of the Spirit [a joyful indication of the blessings to come], even...
  16. jeffweeder

    Confirming of the Covenant - Daniel 9:27

    The Amplified version, 25 So you are to know and understand that from the issuance of the command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until [the coming of] the Messiah (the Anointed One), the Prince, there will be seven weeks [of years] and sixty-two weeks [of years]; it will be built again, with...
  17. jeffweeder

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    No. We are all seated in the heavenly realms as saved souls right now, whether your living or dead. His second coming clothes all saved souls with a glorified body, like his glorious body. Phill 3 20 But [we are different, because] our citizenship is in heaven. And from there we eagerly await...
  18. jeffweeder

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    How can those who laid the foundation to the New Jerusalem not be the first fruits?
  19. jeffweeder

    The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture

    2Thess 1 3 We ought always and indeed are morally obligated [as those in debt] to give thanks to God for you, brothers and sisters, as is fitting, because your faith is growing ever greater, and the [unselfish] love of each one of you toward one another is continually increasing. 4 Therefore...