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  1. GodsGrace

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Correct. So JESUS is saying He's the alpha and the omega. Perfectly proving my point that, perhaps, he was just a crazy man. or He's God.
  2. GodsGrace

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    I'm OK. It's the Australian flu over here. We wish it had stayed in Australia! I'm serious APAK...the early Christians went to their death by believing that Jesus is God.. This is what the early Christians were taught and we have proof of it. They had to sign an oath to the emperor or...
  3. GodsGrace

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Here's what I, and every other Christian, sees W: Isaiah is stating that God Father is the Alpha and the Omega. John is stating that Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega. If you could reconcile that for us,,,it would be good.
  4. GodsGrace

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Just thought of something W.... The Jews were believers in ONE GOD...we all know this....common knowledge. This is why they stoned Jesus,,,because He claimed to be God. John 10:33 31The Jews picked up stones again to stone Him. 32Jesus answered them, “I showed you many good works from the...
  5. GodsGrace

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Would that be the same Jews that were abolished from the synogague because they beleived that Jesus was God? And perhaps you 'd like to clear up that conflict created by John by calling Jesus the Alpha and the Omega? Isaiah 44:6 Rev 1:17-18
  6. GodsGrace

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Actually APAK,,,,I've been sick and just got back. I NEVER read your post about the first and the last. It's actually in Isaiah referring to GOD FATHER.... and it's in Rev 1:17 referring to GOD SON or John made a mistake in writing it maybe. Maybe John is not to be trusted in his writings...
  7. GodsGrace

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Did you just ignore the rest of my post because it does not suit you? Saying you are not Christian UNLESS you believe that Jesus is God is NOT name-calling. I don't actually engage in name-calling. And who are these man-made tenets you speak of? You mean the rest of my post to which you did...
  8. GodsGrace

    HOW ARE WE MADE IN GOD'S IMAGE?

    How about this for the washing of the feet?: Indeed, Jesus knew He was going to send out the Apostles. He wanted to train them to serve each other and respond to their needs. Having your feet washed by someone could be rather humiliating...In fact, Peter told Jesus He would not wash his feet...
  9. GodsGrace

    HOW ARE WE MADE IN GOD'S IMAGE?

    Hi Quietthinker....sorry, been away a few days. I'm not sure the point you're making above and I hate to assume. Could you clarify? I'd say that Jesus did attend funerals....did He intervene? Interesting question. He intervened at the wedding at Cana but only because He was asked to. What do...
  10. GodsGrace

    Western Trinitarians, do not follow the early church teaching.

    I can tell you that it's not really practical to force members into stating whether or not they're Christian... because, basically, we all think we are. It's a problem for these forums. I repeat many times that it's not doctrine that will save us but our belief in God, our obedience to Him...
  11. GodsGrace

    Franklin Graham: Trump needs our prayers

    I'm not into eschatology, but I DO agree with your first and second paragaphs. It certainly seems that this is the case. The Gov. of CA said that there are too many one family homes in LA.... we'll use our imagination to figure out what that could mean...
  12. GodsGrace

    Oklahoma orders first shipment of Bibles for use in public school classrooms

    Correct. I just mentioned in another post that God gave the animals and nature to us, not reversed. Re the water....you're right...it also is need for farming - which has been forced into extinction, however, the water would also reach LA. The entire situation is a mess due to folk that...
  13. GodsGrace

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    As I've stated many times before W.....you cannot be defined as Christian UNLESS you agree to christian tenets. Christians are REQUIRED to believe in the Trinity. If you do NOT believe in the Trinity,,you are following a MAN and worhsipping a MAN. You are NOT Christian. Jesus was accepted as...
  14. GodsGrace

    Franklin Graham: Trump needs our prayers

    Right. I don't understand diverting water for humans to save fish. Rain water was diverted back into the ocean for some fish or other. I'm embarrassed to tell this to Italians....it sounds like sci-fi. They don't believe that AMERICA leaves its citizens without water to fight fires in an area...
  15. GodsGrace

    Franklin Graham: Trump needs our prayers

    We can't agree on everything Lambano.
  16. GodsGrace

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Hi Wrangler, I just want to be a part of the longest thread I've ever seen. So, I have to repeat and have to tell you that you're not Christian but are following a man named Jesus instead. It would have been interesting to read what you wrote about Moses, but I probably will have a different...
  17. GodsGrace

    Oklahoma orders first shipment of Bibles for use in public school classrooms

    Praises to God for stopping the madness. The FBI closed down A BUILDING that was housing the DEI offices. I was shocked to know this....a building dedicated to that...and maybe more than one - who knows. And how about all those family pardons given by Biden while Pres. Trump was giving his...
  18. GodsGrace

    Biblical Repentance

    Hi Titus Very good post... The word REPENT is not used correctly these days..it's used to mean that one is sorry for having sinned, but, of course, your definition is correct. It means to turn and go the other way. I don't believe it's possible to stop sinning, but I do believe our love for...
  19. GodsGrace

    Oklahoma orders first shipment of Bibles for use in public school classrooms

    Pres. Trump signed an executive order declaring that only 2 genders will be accepted by govt ( on forms, docs, etc). Maybe we'll have a return to some kind of normalcy? Should this even be necessary in a civil country/world?
  20. GodsGrace

    Western Trinitarians, do not follow the early church teaching.

    I understand your concern. I was happy that the trinity was not allowed to be discussed here. We must come to the conclusion that those that do not believe that Jesus is God, and thus do not believe in the Trinity, really cannot be defined as Christians. Not saying they're not saved....they...