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    Why Hell is not a place of eternal conscious torment.

    Jude 1:7 says, “Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.” Sodom and Gomorrha was destroyed by fire from Heaven. Yet, this...
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    Why Hell is not a place of eternal conscious torment.

    You also have to ask yourself. What is the everlasting punishment in Matthew 25:46 (KJB)? It is this…. ”Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;” (2 Thessalonians 1:9). So the everlasting punishment is EVERLASTING...
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    Why Hell is not a place of eternal conscious torment.

    So you believe that when Hebrews 6:2 says, “eternal judgment“ that is in reference to how God will be judging people… “saved” and or “unsaved” for all eternity? You must say, “Yes” if you continue to hold to your current interpretation on Matthew 25:46.
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    Why Hell is not a place of eternal conscious torment.

    First, please go back and read the points I made. If you don’t it just seems like you are ignoring the truth of God’s Word. Second, what does “eternal judgment” mean in Hebrews 6:2? It’s pretty simple; God judges, and the result is everlasting. Few traditionalists (i.e. Eternal Torment...
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    Why Hell is not a place of eternal conscious torment.

    Isaiah 34:10 is talking about the city of Edom and how the smoke will be going up forever. Do you believe this smoke will go up for all eternity? If so… then how is that possible seeing Jesus said Heaven and Earth will pass away? Will the city of Edom be floating on a chunk of rock (with...
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    Why Hell is not a place of eternal conscious torment.

    Whenever we see “for ever” or “for ever and ever” in the Bible, we have to realize that it is a metaphor taken from Isaiah 34:10. Isaiah 34:10 ”It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up for ever: from generation to generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass...
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    Why Hell is not a place of eternal conscious torment.

    But friend. You are enforcing a metaphorical interpretation upon the Second Death when we know that the FIrst Death is literal. If we die on this Earth, it will not be metaphorical but it will be literal. In other words, the Second Death should not even be called a Second Death if it is not...
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    Trying To Work This Out - Outer Darkness

    If we believe something, there should be Scriptural backing for that belief. The Bible is not written in precise chronological order. Revelation 22 is a general ending of things and it is not a strict chronological timeline from verse 1 to 21. Revelation 22:14-15 is only giving us a...
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    Trying To Work This Out - Outer Darkness

    Most of Christianity believes in Eternal Torment, but they do not believe 1 Corinthians 15:26, Revelation 21:8, Revelation 21:4, 2 Thessalonians 1:9, etcetera. But does not the Bible say “for ever” (forever) in regards to our punishment? Even outer darkness appears to be for ever, according to...
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    Trying To Work This Out - Outer Darkness

    What verse or passage leads you to this conclusion? I don’t see that. Outer darkness will not exist after death. I see “death“ being conquered as being the last enemy of God (See: 1 Corinthians 15:26). Outer darkness would be a place of punishment for unfaithful believers (Who are enemies...
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    Trying To Work This Out - Outer Darkness

    It’s possible that “outer darkness” is a separate place or compartment within the realm of hell or Sheol. Outer darkness would not be the place of torments that the rich man went to in Luke 16:19-31 (because there is light there as a result of the fire), but outer darkness could possibly be...
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    Trying To Work This Out - Outer Darkness

    To all: While it is popular amongst Christians today to propose that “outer darkness” is either hell and or the Lake of Fire, this really does not make any sense. Some try to make outer darkness as being the same as hell or the Lake of Fire. But fire puts out light. So a place of outer...
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    Trying To Work This Out - Outer Darkness

    Outer darkness appears to exist between the Marriage of the Lamb, and the End of the 1,000 year reign of Christ. Outer darkness appears to be for the unfaithful believer and it is a place of outer darkness and not a place of flames like the rich man went to in Luke 16:19-31. In Matthew 22:1-12...
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    Trying To Work This Out - Outer Darkness

    To all: Again a recent poster said something that I did not say. I said the Lake of Fire is the Second Death, and they turned around and somehow said that is not what I was saying. Please pay no heed to people like this, my friends. When some people either make up stuff that contradicts what...
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    Trying To Work This Out - Outer Darkness

    To all: Some folks are the masters at misunderstanding things that you write, and say things that are untrue that I never claimed. Nowhere did I say that hades or the place of torments is death. Hades or the place of torments that the rich man went to is a real place and the wicked are...
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    Trying To Work This Out - Outer Darkness

    To all: Hell is a place created for the devil and his angels. Nowhere did I deny such a truth. But hell is a temporary place because 1 Corinthians 15:26 says that the last enemy to be destroyed is death. Conditional Immortality Verses on the Destruction of the Devil & Death: The Final...
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    Trying To Work This Out - Outer Darkness

    To all: Please understand that I do believe in hell or the place of torments (that the rich man went to). Hell is a very real and literal place where the wicked will be temporarily punished before the Judgment and the time of when they are cast into the Lake of Fire. Outer darkness is...
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    Trying To Work This Out - Outer Darkness

    To all: No offense, and I say this with love, but generally, adherents of OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved) like to make up stuff in the Bible that is not really there. So it's not surprising that they would say that outer darkness is the same as the Lake of Fire or the place of torments...
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    Trying To Work This Out - Outer Darkness

    Definition for Gehenna (geenna) (γέεννα): Hell is the place of the future punishment called "Gehenna" or "Gehenna of fire". This was originally the valley of Hinnom, south of Jerusalem, where the filth and dead animals of the city were cast out and burned; a fit symbol of the wicked and their...
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    Trying To Work This Out - Outer Darkness

    This is a man-made doctrine that is cooked up in the churches and not anything biblical. Outer darkness is not associated with the place of torments in Luke 16. There is no connection given in Scripture, and they do not sound like the same place anymore than the bottomless pit that Satan is...