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  1. PinSeeker

    Run AWAY from Calvinism!

    Yes, I'm well aware. And again, Calvin attributed what he believed about God and about Scripture to Augustine, who lived almost 1500 years after Calvin, and only a little over 200 years after Christ. Not in the least. John Calvin was just as much a Christian as you or I, and one of the main...
  2. PinSeeker

    Run AWAY from Calvinism!

    Right, this is the free call of the Gospel, and it is issue to all of mankind. But yes, few are chosen. The ones who are chosen ~ before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before Him, as Paul says in Ephesians 1:4 ~ are the ones who receive the inward salvific...
  3. PinSeeker

    Run AWAY from Calvinism!

    It's not about the will, Behold, or whether it is free or not. If one is still in his or her natural state, which is not born again of the Spirit, his or her will ~ free or not ~ is to do the will of his or her father the devil. And that is because he or she is of the devil and not of God...
  4. PinSeeker

    Run AWAY from Calvinism!

    Again, there is a sense in which this is true, but another sense in which it is not. The correct (and very Biblical) way to understand it is, man will not ~ because of his condition from birth, which is death in sin ~ if left to himself, believe and thus choose God. If left in this natural...
  5. PinSeeker

    Run AWAY from Calvinism!

    Fair enough, but I would say the same of you, TLHKAJ... a correct understanding, that is. No doubt true, but we can see that the "whosoever" used by both John in John 3:16 and Paul in Romans 10:12-13 is a direct reference to Joel's prophecy, specifically Joel 2:32, where God says that that...
  6. PinSeeker

    Run AWAY from Calvinism!

    Right; they're rhetorically asking the very same question Paul rhetorically poses in Romans 9:20... "...who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, 'Why have you made me like this?'” Grace and peace to you, Scott.
  7. PinSeeker

    Run AWAY from Calvinism!

    Well, yes. Maybe not quite, but very close; it is the same disagreement that Pelagius had with Augustine more than a thousand years before. Right; agreed. Neither Calvinism nor Arminianism is "evil" ~ or blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, which is calling evil good and good evil, and thus the...
  8. PinSeeker

    Run AWAY from Calvinism!

    As to God's foreknowledge, which Paul speaks of in Romans 8... Well, let me quote it first: "For those whom He foreknew He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, in order that He might be the firstborn among many brothers" (Romans 8:29). Point 1: If we are to understand...
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    Run AWAY from Calvinism!

    No one ~ and certainly not John Calvin or any good Calvinist ~ denies that any man or woman makes a choice, and does so absolutely freely, of his or her own will and accord. Paul merely says it doesn't depend on man's choice (his strength or willing), but rather on God, Who gives mercy and...
  10. PinSeeker

    Run AWAY from Calvinism!

    I'm quite sure something along these exact lines has been said in this thread, and probably multiple times, but does not Paul, in speaking of God's elect, say... "...not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel" (Romans 9:6) ...and God Himself, through Moses and cited by Paul...
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    Getting to the heart of the Amil confusion

    WPM. Easy, dude. Come on. You're surely not the only one, but, man, this is not mortal combat. <chuckles> Ease up, man. Grace and peace to you.
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    Getting to the heart of the Amil confusion

    LOL! That may or may not be possible. Depending on... reasonableness... <chuckles> Or maybe intransigence and/or humility... <smile> Okay, so I'm going to forgo the rest of your post, at least for now. At least for now, let's stop here and talk just about this. For now. Why do you...
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    Getting to the heart of the Amil confusion

    Not completely past ~ collectively speaking, meaning all of God's elect ~ but past for many individuals... those who are of Israel, God's elect, and have been born again of the Spirit and raised in Christ and thus believed in Christ. This distinction has to be made. Again, in the collective...
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    Getting to the heart of the Amil confusion

    Some of them may be, and if so, that makes them "bad Amils," as I said. <chuckles> I have said over and over and over again that Revelation 20:1-6 is not completely fulfilled yet, but will be. As of now, it is still being brought to completion. Well, yes, the thousand-year millennial reign...
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    Getting to the heart of the Amil confusion

    Nah, he (or she?) misunderstands what it is. That's not heresy, it's just misunderstanding. And that's okay. <smile> Really, though... It doesn't make him "not a Christian," and it doesn't make him "less Christian" or "less saved" than any other Christian. Really, it's okay. Grace and...
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    Getting to the heart of the Amil confusion

    If any "Amils" are claiming that, then they are... bad "Amils." :) The first resurrection is individual, and cumulative and is still ongoing at this time. When the fullness of the Gentiles has been brought in and the partial hardening that is now on Israel is removed... and thus all of Israel...
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    Getting to the heart of the Amil confusion

    You're welcome. I love that GIF. :) In your opinion. I know. :) Grace and peace to you. Agreed. So you agree in spiritual rebirth, but not spiritual resurrection. Very curious. Hmmm... Well it's a raising of some kind, so if not of the human spirit, is it a physical raising? Surely...
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    Getting to the heart of the Amil confusion

    Well, that's a problem. :) Matthew 25:31-46 and Revelation 20:11-15 are descriptions of the same event. Hmmm... well, in a sense, as human beings, we should all serve Him and worship Him. So in that sense, yes, agreed. But some/many ~ and I think you'll agree with this ~ do not... will...
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    Getting to the heart of the Amil confusion

    Well, right... all of us will be bodily resurrected, yes, in an instant at the last day. Well... except for those who are still alive at the time of His return, of course. Yes. No, they do not. As I have said, this vision was given to John a long time ago, but even in his time, he knew he...
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    Getting to the heart of the Amil confusion

    We (Christians) are spiritually resurrected in this life, David ~ made alive with Christ and raised up with Him and seated with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them. Our physical...