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  1. PinSeeker

    Getting to the heart of the Amil confusion

    With all due respect: In a sense, this is correct; we all from birth are dead in sin (Romans 5; Ephesians 2), having a heart of stone rather than flesh (Ezekiel 19, 36), and in need of new birth by the Spirit and thus being in Christ. Our spirits must be resurrected; otherwise, we are...
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    Getting to the heart of the Amil confusion

    Yes, I do... except... there is no "rapture." Jesus's return will certainly be a rapturous event, but not a "rapture" in the sense of what many think it to be; no one will be... "removed"... <smile>. Ahhh, well let me ask you this, David: When this final Judgment scene opens in Revelation...
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    Getting to the heart of the Amil confusion

    Right. The first resurrection is a direct and immediate result of having been born again of the Spirit. Agreed. So maybe we should look in depth at the reasons "Premils" tend to (mistakenly) believe the first resurrection is bodily. Grace and peace to you.
  4. PinSeeker

    Getting to the heart of the Amil confusion

    Nope. Everyone is in view in the second resurrection in Revelation 20:11-15. Everyone, meaning both the saved and the unsaved. And this resurrection is the one Jesus speaks of in John 5:28-29... "an hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice and come out, those who have...
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    Getting to the heart of the Amil confusion

    In Revelation 1, Stewardofthemystery, John is told by Jesus to "(w)rite... the things that you have seen, those that are and those that are to take place after this." So, John, in his vision, is being shown everything as if it's already happened, but as of now, it has not. Has not completely...
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    Getting to the heart of the Amil confusion

    Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead. He absolutely did, and he will be resurrected again, with all of us at the end of the age. No, He wasn't, WPM. Neither literally nor in terms of the "first resurrection" of Revelation 20. In terms of Revelation 20, Jesus was never and will never be in need...
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    Getting to the heart of the Amil confusion

    But the first resurrection happens for each of us individually, Stewardofthemystery, when we are born again of the Spirit and thus raised in Christ. The two concepts (being born again and spiritually resurrected from death in sin) are inseparable. Our "first resurrection" is spiritual, and the...
  8. PinSeeker

    Getting to the heart of the Amil confusion

    Hmm, well, the first resurrection is not only past, it is ongoing. Having previously been previously dead in their trespasses (sin) and thus, by nature, children of wrath, like the rest of mankind, people are still at this point being born again of the Spirit and made alive together with Christ...
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    Once Saved, Always Saved?

    Hmmm... well salvation has always happened the same way... The righteousness of Christ is imputed to us, God declares us clean; this is our justification by God ~ and we are no longer in the first Adam (Adam) but in the second Adam (Christ Jesus). We are still sinners, and still sin, and in...
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    Once Saved, Always Saved?

    Well... we didn't choose Him before He chose us. :) Right? Surely, Jesus said to His disciples in John 15:16, "You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you...", and that's true of all of us, too. He's saying the initial choosing was His, not ours. The issue is not the will, or...
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    Once Saved, Always Saved?

    Taken said: "God Offers…and Yes manKIND has option, FREEWILL CHOICE….to TAKE Gods Offering…or REJECT Gods Offering." Yes, that's true; the general offer of salvation is given to all. But God only calls some, those He chose before the foundation of the world and predestined for adoption to...
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    Once Saved, Always Saved?

    God's elect, Yes. Nowhere in God's Word will any suggestion whatsoever be found that God is our elect. Certainly, we do make a choice. But our being one of God's elect does not depend on our choosing (willing) or working (running), but rather on God's having mercy and compassion. Paul is...
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    No Denomination named... Evidence Presented... You Decide

    Unfortunately, I don't do that all the time... but I have my moments, I guess. <smile> Grace and peace to you!
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    No Denomination named... Evidence Presented... You Decide

    Okay, well, yes, that wording may be causing a bit of... ambiguity. This may be the disconnect between us. John used the word 'logos' for a very specific reason. You will probably agree with that, but in that day, people were searching for, wanting to know ~ and in most circles this is still...
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    No Denomination named... Evidence Presented... You Decide

    I would think so, yes, three distinct Persons ~ Father, Son, and Holy Spirit ~ but together one God. Sure. This seems to be a contradiction of the first order, GodsGrace. Before answering, though... read on... Hmmm... Okay, and would you not add Jesus to this, God's Grace? And thus say...
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    No Denomination named... Evidence Presented... You Decide

    Oh. My. Goodness. Wow. Well, I'm not sure whether to... ...or... Wow. Grace and peace to all.
  17. PinSeeker

    Not ALL the physically dead are raised at the same time, the dead in Christ rise FIRST.

    Ah, well, even non-believing Jews were never really citizens of God's Israel. As Paul says, "not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but 'Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.' This means that it is not...
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    Not ALL the physically dead are raised at the same time, the dead in Christ rise FIRST.

    LOL! "Just one last thing..." Hmmm, okay, but, with all due respect, I could not care less. But thanks... I guess, because I couldn't care less about this, either... for letting me know that it bothers you, though. I wasn't. <smile> Grace and peace to you.
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    Not ALL the physically dead are raised at the same time, the dead in Christ rise FIRST.

    I don't even comment, for the most part, on what you say, except to correct the misconceptions ~ or false construing ~ of what I have said. Well, you don't seem to have any qualms about interjecting whenever I'm talking to someone else about some of these things. Which is fine, of course, but...
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    Not ALL the physically dead are raised at the same time, the dead in Christ rise FIRST.

    ...because I won't agree with you. Yeah I get it... LOL! Yeah, I was sort of thinking two things at once and got my own wires crossed and just made a typing mistake (regarding premillennialism and dispensationalism). Sure. Admitting your mistakes; we normally call this humility...