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Ok, so when a saint falls away do they loose their salvation or do they remain saints?

So how are you defining “saint”? Can an unbeliever be a saint?

Look at Philippians 1:21 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain. Whether living in persecution or dying, both conditions for a believer are victorious. Regardless of what the beast can do to the saints, including physical death, why would it be considered as being overcome for a saint?

Ok, I agree physical death for a believer doesn’t equate to being overcome. How do you see the beast overcoming the saints? Do you believe a person can loose their salvation?

The last enemy is death (1 Corinthians 15:26). Since people still physically die and you seem to be applying physical death to how the saints are being overcome, would you say that Christ is currently overcome by the physical death of His saints and will be overcome by physical death until that...

All people have to physically die, are you saying every believer will be overcome? If so then believers overcome while simultaneously they are overcome themselves. That doesn’t make logical sense to me.

Where in the Bible are believers considered to be overcome by a physical act? Romans 12:21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

In Philippians 1:20 Paul says Christ shall be magnified in his body whether by life or death. Would you consider Paul as being overcome?

Ok, so why would those people who are saved in the tribulation think of their persecution and martyrdom as being overcome while believers currently don’t consider persecution and martyrdom as being overcome?

So are you saying the saints simply aren’t ever overcome or warn out? Meaning they are raptured and there are no saints on earth the overcome? If so, how can that be when it says the saints will be overcome? The Bible has to be true.

Sorry, wrong thread.

Revelation 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. So how is the beast overcoming the saints? Before the cross they went to Sheol, so I can see how that could be considered as being...

I know this thread isn’t about the sea beast but if an incorrect interpretation of the sea beast is made, then the earth beast is going to be that much more difficult to interpret. The sea beast has a very high probability of being the Daniel 7 little horn, in fact I don’t think I’ve ever heard...

Pulpit Commentary Verse 16. - And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon; or, as in the Revised Version, they gathered; that is, the "spirits" of ver. 14, of which this is a continuation, the same verb συνάγω being repeated.

This may be of interest to you, I don’t know, but some time ago I had a discussion about the two witnesses and their ability to strike the earth with all the plagues as often as they will. An idea was brought up by someone that those on the earth will think the two witnesses are responsible for...

Personally I don’t see the papacy as the little horn so we are going to have differences for sure. Obviously John is on the island of Patmos so there is no temple, altar or worshipers to measure, physically speaking. In Revelation 11:1 John is told to rise and measure. Wherever that temple is...

Here is a list I have about the similarities of John the Baptist (JtB) and the two witnesses. Revelation 11 two witnesses. Matthew 11:14 JtB is called Elias but in John 1:21 JtB answers “no” when asked if he is Elias. In some kind of way JtB is a single person that represents 2 people...

I think the holy city in Revelation 11:2 is the earthly Jerusalem that got destroyed in 70AD, with Revelation being written prior to 70AD. One of the biggest disagreements with this is that the earthly Jerusalem would be called “holy” after the cross. What are the alternatives though, in...

I think the most debatable part of those verses is going to be the holy city trodden under foot for 42 months, and when that takes place. Many people put the holy city being trodden under by the Gentiles for 42 months within the Luke 21:24 Jerusalem being trodden down by the Gentiles till the...