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  1. keithr

    Do animals have souls?

    You have quoted 1 Corinthians 15:44 "it is raised a spiritual body", and then immediately write that our bodies will "not be a spiritual body". You're disagreeing with the Scripture that you've quoted and not making any sense! You then say that we will have a resurrected human body too - two...
  2. keithr

    Do animals have souls?

    What John saw in his vision was symbolic, just like the prostitute sitting on a scarlot beast with seven heads and ten horns was symbolic - it was imaginary, not real; a symbol, not reality. That's two resurrections! That is incorrect. We don't reign with Christ during our human lives, before...
  3. keithr

    Do animals have souls?

    You have not shown from the Scriptures that your opinion is a reasonable interpretation. I can find no verses in the Bible that talk about a "spiritual resurrection", so I'm not surprised that you haven't quoted any. Why should anybody believe your opinion if you don't quote verses that...
  4. keithr

    Do animals have souls?

    Don't be confused by "bring with him". Paul is not saying that Jesus will bring the dead Christians with him when he comes for the Church. In context Paul is reassuring Christians that those Christians that have already died will not miss out on returning with Jesus when he returns in glory to...
  5. keithr

    Do animals have souls?

    Why does it refer to the "first resurrection" (in Revelation 20:4-5) if there is only going to be one resurrection? It implies that there must be at least one more resurrection. The second resurrection is mentioned in Revelationn 20:13. Jesus was the "firstborn from the dead" (Revelation 1:5)...
  6. keithr

    Do animals have souls?

    That sounds very like the false teachings that Paul warned against - 2 Timothy 2:16-18 (ESV): (16) But avoid irreverent babble, for it will lead people into more and more ungodliness, (17) and their talk will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, (18) who have swerved...
  7. keithr

    Do animals have souls?

    John 5:24-25 (WEB): (24) “Most certainly I tell you, he who hears my word, and believes him who sent me, has eternal life, and doesn’t come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. (25) Most certainly, I tell you, the hour comes, and now is, when the dead will hear the Son of...
  8. keithr

    Do animals have souls?

    At the time of the resurrection and rapture of the Church, nobody is resurrected "to condemnation in the lake of fire". It is a resurrection of the Church only, and they all are caught up to be forever with Jesus (1 Thessalonians 4:17). The verses you quote are referring to the second...
  9. keithr

    Do animals have souls?

    1 Corinthians 15:50 (50) Now I say this, brothers, that flesh and blood can’t inherit God’s Kingdom; neither does the perishable inherit imperishable. In order to get into heaven we need to be changed to have a spiritual body. Only Christians are promised that. Everyone else, will be...
  10. keithr

    The Apostleship Of Paul...

    Or: 5) There are 13/14 because Jesus was also an apostle - Hebrews 3:1 (WEB): (1) Therefore, holy brothers, partakers of a heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our confession, Jesus; 6) There are 14/15 because Baranabas also became an apostle - Acts 14:14 (ESV): (14)...
  11. keithr

    Why are Bible scholars leaving Christianity?

    Taking each of those verses in turn, but using a better translation than the NIV (which I don't like because it is not a very accurate translation): Numbers 16:32-33 (WEB): (32) The earth opened its mouth and swallowed them up, with their households, all of Korah’s men, and all their goods...
  12. keithr

    Why are Bible scholars leaving Christianity?

    I had written: "If you can't sufficiently prove from Scripture what you believe, and why you think I'm wrong, then it's pointless you participating in this discussion. Just saying something but not giving any Scriptural support for your claims is valueless." and you reply with that nonsense...
  13. keithr

    Why are Bible scholars leaving Christianity?

    I didn't say "nonexistence". The important point is that death is an unconscious state, like a deep sleep, so that we have no thoughts or feelings. I explained that in my previous posts. Jesus likened death to a sleep, and dead people are referred to as sleeping throughout the Bible, e.g...
  14. keithr

    My take on original sin

    Hebrews 7 does not say that. Please explain how you come to that conclusion. From the WEB: (15) This is yet more abundantly evident, if after the likeness of Melchizedek there arises another priest, (28) For the law appoints men as high priests who have weakness, but the word of the oath...
  15. keithr

    Why are Bible scholars leaving Christianity?

    It is easy to be confused about soul and spirit, as a result of translation difficulties from Hebrew and Greek. I think of it as: spirit - we have a spirit part, which is what survives death in an unconscious (non-functioning) state, and which God can restore to conscious life when He...
  16. keithr

    Why are Bible scholars leaving Christianity?

    I did not say the soul is the body. Is that all you can say rather than coming up with any Bible verses that support your idea of a "spiritual death"? As I previously wrote, you're not sticking exactly to what the Bible teaches, despite claiming that you do so. Jesus said, Matthew 10:28...
  17. keithr

    Are we told to worship Jesus or are we told to worship God?

    Philippians 3:3 (WEB): (3) For we are the circumcision, who worship God in the Spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh; Revelation 19:10 (WEB): (10) Then I fell down at his feet to worship him, but he said to me, “You must not do that! I am a fellow servant...
  18. keithr

    My take on original sin

    Hebrews 7:3 (WEB): (3) without father, without mother, without genealogy, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like the Son of God), remains a priest continually. The Levitical priesthood was hereditary, so it was important to the Jews to be able to prove they were...
  19. keithr

    My take on original sin

    The way it is written is a bit ambiguous (it's a long sentence that mentions God and Jesus). So in such a case it is helpful to search the Scriptures for further clues, such as John 1:18 and 6:46 (WEB): (1:18) No one has seen God at any time. The one and only Son, who is in the bosom of the...
  20. keithr

    My take on original sin

    Humans are not immortal. Only God was immortal, 1 Timothy 6:16 (WEB): (16) who {God} alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light; whom no man has seen, nor can see: to whom be honor and eternal power. Amen. The Greek word that is translated as immortal is athanasia which means...