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  1. keithr

    The "Millenium Rule" SCRIPTURES ONLY thread

    Really? I didn't spot any Christians being caught away and disappearing from the earth. When did that happen. And if Jesus is now ruling with a rod of iron and Satan has been bound up, well, it's definitely not working! And if, Revelation 1:7 (WEB): (7) Behold, he is coming with the...
  2. keithr

    The "Millenium Rule" SCRIPTURES ONLY thread

    The first resurrection, of the Church only: Revelation 20:6 (WEB): (6) Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over these, the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with him one thousand years. (Only Christians will...
  3. keithr

    The "Millenium Rule" SCRIPTURES ONLY thread

    Err, what about Revelation 20:6? (6) Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over these, the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with him one thousand years.
  4. keithr

    The "Millenium Rule" SCRIPTURES ONLY thread

    It does describe events that will happen, and it is mostly descibed in the order of events. Revelation 1:19 (WEB): (19) Write therefore the things which you have seen, and the things which are, and the things which will happen hereafter; One - but which one?! There is one resurrection for...
  5. keithr

    The "Millenium Rule" SCRIPTURES ONLY thread

    Perhaps you didn't notice ElieG12's underlining part of Rev. 20:6? (6) Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over these, the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with him one thousand years. Later it describes the...
  6. keithr

    the return of Jesus Christ .... I see two phases

    The "7th trumpet"? I think your assumption is wrong. The Cambridge Bible Notes says: at the last trump] Some have referred this to the last of the seven trumpets in Revelation 8-11. See especially Rev_10:7. But this cannot be, since the visions recorded in that book had not yet been seen. It...
  7. keithr

    The "Millenium Rule" SCRIPTURES ONLY thread

    John 5:28-29 (WEB): (28) Don’t marvel at this, for the hour comes, in which all that are in the tombs will hear his voice, (29) and will come out; those who have done good, to the resurrection of life; and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of judgment. I think that "those who have...
  8. keithr

    The "Millenium Rule" SCRIPTURES ONLY thread

    Don't forget that the Book of Revelation is, Revelation 1:1 (WEB): (1) This is the Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things which must happen soon, which he sent and made known by his angel to his servant, John, It is Jesus revealing new things...
  9. keithr

    The "Millenium Rule" SCRIPTURES ONLY thread

    Revelation 20:6 (WEB): (6) Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over these, the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with him one thousand years. Why does it say the first resurrection if there is only one...
  10. keithr

    The "Millenium Rule" SCRIPTURES ONLY thread

    Some verses to consider, 2 Peter 3:5-13 (WEB): (5) For this they willfully forget that there were heavens from of old, and an earth formed out of water and amid water by the word of God; (6) by which means the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished. (7) But the heavens...
  11. keithr

    The "other" resurrection

    This is how I understand it: The first resurrection, of the Church, occurs before the Great Tribulation, and before Christ's 1,000 year reign (Millennial Age). The first resurrection is described by Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 (WEB): (15) For this we tell you by the word of the Lord...
  12. keithr

    Jesus's Explanation of Grace in it's Nature and Effects.

    How is it from God if it says "Without grace, you would simply be animal creatures that had reached such a point in evolution as to be endowed with reason"? It doesn't say that God has given people reason, it clearly says that we would be animals that had evolved to have reason (without grace...
  13. keithr

    Jesus's Explanation of Grace in it's Nature and Effects.

    I've read very little of her writings because on the two occasions that I have (in posts on this forum) there were sentences in the first paragraph or two that were clearly at odds with Scripture, so it was obviously not to be trusted and should be avoided. I base my beliefs on the Bible, the...
  14. keithr

    Jesus's Explanation of Grace in it's Nature and Effects.

    Continuing from post #59... Confident of papal approval, Father Berti brought the books to the Vatican press. However, in 1949, two commissioners of the Holy Office, Msgr. Giovanni Pepe and Father Berruti, O.P., condemned the "Poem," ordering Berti to hand over every copy and sign an agreement...
  15. keithr

    Jesus's Explanation of Grace in it's Nature and Effects.

    Here is one of the references on the Wikipedia page in full. It's fairly clear why nobody should believe Maria'a writings to be genuinely from Jesus: Author: Fr. Mitch Pacwa IS "THE POEM OF THE MAN-GOD" SIMPLY A BAD NOVEL? Maria Valtorta's multi-volume life of Jesus flirts...
  16. keithr

    Jesus's Explanation of Grace in it's Nature and Effects.

    I don't believe it was Jesus who spoke to Maria Valtorta. From WikiPedia ("The Poem of the Man-God"): On 16 December 1959, the Congregation of the Holy Office ordered the 4-volume work entitled "The Poem of the Man-God" placed on the Index of Forbidden Books. Pope John XXIII approved the...
  17. keithr

    Jesus's Explanation of Grace in it's Nature and Effects.

    It says that man evolved "to be endowed with reason", which is not consistent with Scripture. Man was made perfect, with reasoning powers, and has been degenerating ever since Adam's first sin, not evolving to something better. We don't have more reasoning powers than our ancestors because of...
  18. keithr

    Jesus's Explanation of Grace in it's Nature and Effects.

    That's not proof that I am reading it wrongly! Evolution as a single species and evolution from one species to another are different - and both are not possible!
  19. keithr

    Jesus's Explanation of Grace in it's Nature and Effects.

    According to Paul, there are nine gifts of the Holy Spirit that God may give to Christians. 1 Corinthians 12:4-11 (WEB): (4) Now there are various kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit. (5) There are various kinds of service, and the same Lord. (6) There are various kinds of workings, but the...
  20. keithr

    Jesus's Explanation of Grace in it's Nature and Effects.

    It's still there! It says we are "animal creatures that had reached such a point in evolution as to be endowed with reason". That is regardless of whether we have grace or are "without grace". To reach a point in evolution we would have to be evolving. Evolution doesn't happen - it's...