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4 horsemen slaughter and wrath is definately tribulation. The White horseman kicks off the great 7 YEAR tribulation. Then all he'll breaks lose on earth. Rev6 8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. Millions killed. But to you...

QUOTE "Sending His angels to gather the elect is certainly not a war. It's a harvest. It's a rapture." Huh??? There is nothing there of a rapture...zero...nothing!!! Angels ( NOT JESUS) gather from heaven (NOT EARTH). EVERY RAPTURE VERSE has Jesus gathering. What is a dispensation?

You are so focused on words "seal" and "seals", you can not understand Jesus returns on white horses in power and great glory.i already showed you that NOWHERE does he return in any rapture in " power and great glory " But you are determined to miss interpret Rev 6 alongside mat 24. You...

Ahem. Post wrath IS POST TRIB. Jesus IN NO WAY AND NOPLACE returns prewrath in power and great glory. BTW, "the kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our God" IS POST ARMEGEDDON. So you are confusing many things in trying to make "trib" and "great trib" of Jesus words in mat 24 as...

QUOTE "At the end of wrath, the armies of heaven come for Armageddon. How long it takes the kings of the earth to gather their armies is irrelevant" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^this^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Is this: Rev 6 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief...

QUOTE "your saying when Jesus shows up at the 6th seal with Him angels to gather the elect that He won't be in power and glory?" You really need to read Rev 6. Then you will properly place the earthquake and blood moon and the sun blackened. ( which will cause you to understand "immediately...

Have you actually read Matthew? 24 in context with revelation 6? It says "after the tribulation of those days". When you quoted that scripture, you minimized "of those days" If you read the last part of revelation six, it tells you what those days are. They are the final days of the judgment...

None of Rev 6, and 7 passes ANY chronology test. The Jews are sealed and locusts are released AFTER your Rev 6 verses. Those items are happening early on in the trib. You are placing chronology where it does not fit.

1) All rapture verses of the church are peacetime normal life , commerce , and everyday life. 2) the rapture of the Jewish main harvest(nothing remotely to do with the church) is DURING THE TRIB. That harvest has zero to do with power and great glory...zero. It is VIVIDLY depicted in Rev 14:14...

You quoted vs 21 of mat 24. We know it is a 7 yr package because of vs 21. It is not "Great tribulation, such as the world, has never seen and never will be seen", and then all of a sudden, "a tribulation equal to or surpassing it" ( as you suggest), happens in what you are calling "the...

1) include power and great glory of mat 24:30 2) Jesus returns after the WRATH in power and great glory. 3) the return after the wrath is on white Horses and is in power and great glory. With a warrior king destroying the antichrist and the false prophet ,and their army. So you have mat 24...

Evidently you have Jesus returning in power and great glory before the white horses second coming. Jesus did not use the word "wrath" because the entire 7 yr period is the great tribulation. The great tribulation period ends in a period of wrath. How do we know this? Because Daniel did not...

Hard to get on the same page with modern phrase centered people. "Trib" "Great trib" "Wrath" 7 YR TRIB BECOMES A BOGEYMAN THAT IS OFF THE TABLE. And all those phrases used outside of the bible...but so key to misleading people into some made up timeline and just recklessly omit verses. IOW...

Not correct. Angels gather in heaven at the white horses. You recruited that to the rapture. All rapture verses are peacetime, normal life, everyday life and buying selling You undid verses to make a warrior coming merge with a groom coming with zero warfare and no such setting of the ac with...

Lol So many verses with the setting depicted VIVIDLY. You say all that is irrelevant???? The Holy Spirit put tge setting as OPPOSITE your doctrine I believe all that. After the pretrib rapture the dead in christ already in heaven recieve glorified bodies. Ask yourself why it is necessary for...

At the white horseman

No matter what "one obscure thought or verse" you have, they have never ERASED the rapture verses, and NEVER will. There are 2 resurrections taught in scripture. We know those in Chrisr are raised at the rapture. You somehow see some need to make all the several dynamics into one. Your dismissal...

Nope. In the first part of the trib thousands die. Earth's inhabitants. So the " no trib for unbelievers " is way off. See this is what I am talking about. The hyper separation of "wrath vs trib" and "no overlap remotely possible" is a picture frame to interpret mat 24. I just proved it is not...

Ahem Read Rev 19. That is the flaming fire return. What you posted flows perfectly with the pretrib rapture doctrine. Thanks for the pretrib rapture review You are attempting to refute a doctrine that you know little about..

All rapture verses are pretrib. I know you have been taught to ignore that. You just say everything is mixed together. Blenderized. But no. The bible says different That is why EVERY postribber changes the virgins parable.