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Yes. Angels gather the elect from heaven as you point out, not realizing in the rapture Jesus gathers. So maybe put all context on table

Explain how they get on white horses of rev 19 which is tge second coming on white horses???? Mat 24 fits PERFECTLY Do you think ANGELS ALREADY IN HEAVEN, GATHER ALL THAT ARMY TO ASSEMBLE IN HEAVEN ON WHITE HORSES????? But you leave out that that coming by Jesus is in power and great glory IN...

1) all rapture verses are pretrib. 2) the second coming verses are on white horses. That setting is OPPOSITE of the rapture verses. So what do we do? I do not do what you do and swipe them off the table, then address your opponent and say "see how correct I am"....." and don't look at the...

No rapture verse has YOUR SETTING. AGAIN..you totally 100% made all that up! Every rapture verse has NORMAL LIFE, EVERYDAY ACTIVITIES , FREE COMMERCE, AND PEACETIME.

Well you made that up. Show me "power and great glory" at any rapture verse. You never figured it in. It makes your ENTIRE DEAL IMPOSSIBLE. IT ONLY fits the return on white horses. But at least we can see exactly where you begin the willy nilly misplacements Including the misunderstanding that...

Explain to me how "power and great glory" is not the white horses. Jesus told you in Acts 1 and EVERY RAPTURE VERSE, It is peacetime, commerce and normal daily life. Which BTW destroys your assumption of your claim ( in exact defiance of the bible) that Jesus is depicting a postrib rapture with...

Remember you keep leaving out "power and great glory " Then you say " it all fits" Nope not a chance.

Nope You left out "power and great glory." Show me how it all works out once the context is introduced.

Nobody can lead you to truth. It is completely futile.

Show me where he comes in power and great glory. Show me in scripture. Only one place. Rev 19. After the wrath Your entire deal hinges on you making a word " tribulation " some foundation of misinterpretation. You now have Jesus With a sickle sitting on a cloud transposed into a Warrior king...

Quote: "The Word is talking about the tribulation of those days which is over with the coming of Jesus at the 6th seal as proven by Matthew 24. Wrath is the 7th seal." Then Jesus was mistaken when he said "then shall there be great tribulation such as has never been seen, and will Never be seen...

It is your doctrine saying matt24 is not Rev 19 when ONLY Rev 19 fits.

Only in your mind does the "Jesus comes in power and great glory " fit Rev 14. Sitting ? Holding a sickle.?

It all stems from your displacement of Matt 24. Read it 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. It that Rev 14??? Nope Is that...

Nope You are claiming the white horses at the 6th seal. Ahem....which has the ac thrown into the lof IOW you have the lof at the 6th seal Way off

You just placed the LOF at the 6th seal. Huh?????

Bingo. Yep yep yep. Acts 1 in no way can be transposed onto your verses. Decisely points ONLY to a pretrib rapture!!!! Thank you!!!!!

QUOTE "Jesus was right when he said we will have tribulation in this world. Paul knew that all too well didn't he. Ater enduring beatings, stoning's and whipping several times he lost his head." We all know tribulation is promised. Are you say some trial you are going through is exactly...

Lol You just proved my point. Thank you. You guys work tirelessly to torture that bible to make it say something else. Blame Jesus for telling you that AFTER THE TRIB angels gather FROM HEAVEN. PSSSST .....THE SAINTS IN HEAVEN ARE GATHERED TO THE WHITE HORSES. HOW DO YOU THINK THEY ARE...

You already have been shown around 10 times angels gather in heaven in your supposed only non verse you claim supports your mental eschatology. So stop lying. Just ridiculous how you misrepresent Holy Scriptures in your reckless quest.