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  1. Timtofly

    The Rapture Cover-up

    It is a metaphor. Neither are seeds sown into the ground. The body is not literally planted into the ground to grow into something different like a wheat sown is not the same as the stalk that comes out of the ground. Paul is showing the drastic change, not stating that literally happens...
  2. Timtofly

    The Rapture Cover-up

    That white robe is putting on the spirit, and being glorified. It is not an "intermediate clothing". No one has put on the spirit, as that is the final transformation into a completed son of God. One needs God's permanent incorruptible physical body, to be physically alive and not dead...
  3. Timtofly

    The Rapture Cover-up

    This is not a Scriptural view. The OT redeemed, except for Enoch/Elijah & Moses, all waited in the "valley of the shadow of death", Jesus called "Abraham's bosom" until the Cross. They were across a gulf from sheol. They did wait in Death, not receiving those promises, until their last day...
  4. Timtofly

    The Rapture Cover-up

    What if Elijah was Enoch after he was translated, and Elijah was Enoch who was sent to Israel after the Flood. It was the same translated body each time? Elisha saw him leave that one time. Perhaps Elijah returned several times since then? They never found the body of Moses either. That...
  5. Timtofly

    Heavenly Jerusalem

    The relationship with Israel and her Messiah the Prince is restored at the Second Coming. That was the promise of Daniel 9. The relationship is literal and real. The marriage analogy is symbolic. The church in Paradise is not that much relevant to life on earth, nor ever has been. "How...
  6. Timtofly

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    There is no second resurrection. That is an imagined assumption. It would still be the first resurrection for those still in their graves. There is a negative point made by John here: "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished." Those beheaded lived...
  7. Timtofly

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    What tribulation do you think is over at the rapture/Second Coming? The time of Jacob's Trouble or the tribulation of the church? Does the church stay on the earth for Jacob's trouble, and Israel is raptured or is the church raptured and Israel, on earth, goes through the time of Jacob's...
  8. Timtofly

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    The marriage was never a literal marriage. That is symbolism along with a divorce and playing the harlot. Jesus is on the earth at the 6th Seal because he is gathering his Israelite bride. The church is still a bride after the Millennium. When did Jesus divorce the church to remarry after...
  9. Timtofly

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    The 7th Seal is only about a 30 minutes of silence just before the first Trumpet sounds. Nothing else happens. People are waiting for that first Trumpet to sound. "And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour." The Day of the Lord is...
  10. Timtofly

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    Because Revelation 14 is still describing the 7th Trumpet. That is the only event being described from Revelation 10 after the 7 Thunders to Revelation 19. You claim John traveled back in time to the opening of the first few Seals. The third woe is attached to the 7th Trumpet. That woe is...
  11. Timtofly

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    When you say all the dead, you are changing Jesus' words and intent, also. Jesus said all those in their graves. You then insert "all the dead" from all time. Jesus is not implying all the dead from all time will still be in their graves. You are inferring that onto the text. In fact Jesus...
  12. Timtofly

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    No verse says the earth melts. That is a non-scriptural interpretation. The elements melt / dissolve, yes. That is in regards to heaven. In regards to the earth, that is the works of man that are dissolved. John the Baptist said unquenchable fire. The LOF is formed at the 6th Seal, at...
  13. Timtofly

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    You are missing the point that at the Second Coming, the dead are those spiritually dead but physically alive on the earth. You are confusing them with the physically dead needing a resurrection. God can save those already dead, but the Second Coming is about judging those still physically...
  14. Timtofly

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    I never said the dead would escape. You deny the Day of the Lord is the thousand year reign mentioned in Revelation 20. Many "of Adam" alive on the earth will be changed and enjoy that Day of the Lord, as God in Christ is still reconciling the world to Himself even after the Second Coming...
  15. Timtofly

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    You are misrepresenting Paul: "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming." This clearly states all die in Adam but made alive in their order: 1) the firstfruits...
  16. Timtofly

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    The heavens will roll back as a scroll, and all the works on earth will be burned up, at the 6th Seal. Along with that, Zechariah 14 says the geography of the earth will change as echoed here: Revelation 6:14-15 "And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every...
  17. Timtofly

    When are the dead and living in Christ caught up to the Lord?

    So the 3rd woe is part of the first 4 Seals along with the sounding of the 7th Trumpet at the beginning of the Seals? You must be one of those who think the first Seal, first Trumpet, first Thunder, and first vial of God's wrath, all happen in the same instant? Then the second event of each...
  18. Timtofly

    The Prophetic Timeline: Why Jesuit Futurists/Jesuit Preterists Ignore It

    That is a forced interpretation of an historical entity of the first century. Revelation 17 and 18 are describing the period of the 3rd woe. Why are you forcing the 7th Trumpet and 3rd woe into the first century? Israel will never sit in authority from Rome, ever. Jesus will never set up a...
  19. Timtofly

    The Prophetic Timeline: Why Jesuit Futurists/Jesuit Preterists Ignore It

    And Jesus will always be the physical one who died on the Cross, even when He ate in the tent of Abraham. The Word without a physical body, did not appear to Abraham. Only Jesus could do that as the Word when He returned to the Father, after leaving earth. The Word would always be the...
  20. Timtofly

    Who, or what, is the dreaded bogey man of prophecy?

    They are not still waiting any longer than the thief did. They physically ascended to heaven in their permanent incorruptible physical bodies on Sunday morning. The thief was given a permanent incorruptible physical body, upon his soul entering Paradise. You are the one claiming no one...