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  1. gadar perets

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    Again you avoid justifying "over". Also, why do you keep bringing up KJV errors. I agree the KJV has many errors. Thankfully, "over" in Colossians 1:15 is not one of them.
  2. gadar perets

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    Zechariah 13:7 Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith YHWH of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones. The "shepherd" is Yeshua. He is the "fellow" (associate, comrade, companion) of...
  3. gadar perets

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    Surely you jest? If there is no saviour besides YHWH, then please explain both of these verses; 2 Kings 13:5 - (And YHWH gave Israel a saviour, so that they went out from under the hand of the Syrians: and the children of Israel dwelt in their tents, as beforetime. Nehemiah 9:27 - Therefore...
  4. gadar perets

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    I never said translations must be word for word. In response to your erroneous statement, "A pure word for word translation would be unreadable", I said Colossians 1:15 is a readable word for word translation proving your statement false. I also said we cannot add words not found in the Greek...
  5. gadar perets

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    I did not say I believe hand includes wrist. I was speaking of others who assume that. I clearly said I believe it is correct to use "hand". What false message am I conveying?
  6. gadar perets

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    How is this relevant? The Greek translates as hands. We can assume that includes the wrist, but we are not told the nails were in his wrists. I accept hands as the proper translation.
  7. gadar perets

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    BTW, that site is really not an Interlinear (between the lines). It is more like an English/Greek parallel Bible. Here is a link to a true interlinear Bible.
  8. gadar perets

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    So now that Yeshua is resurrected and in heaven, are you saying he went back to being Yahweh again?
  9. gadar perets

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    I just checked John 20:25 in the above link and the Greek looks nothing like what you posted. Evidently, it does not copy and paste in the same format. I have no problem with that website. A pure word for word translation of Colossians 1:15 is perfectly readable. I reject all man made additions...
  10. gadar perets

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    The words that are not underlined are not in the Greek. Although, what ever you posted after the English is very confusing with all those additional markings that are not found in a normal transliterated Greek text. What is your source? The addition of the non-underlined words in your example...
  11. gadar perets

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    What does this mean? That Yahweh is no longer Yeshua's Father?
  12. gadar perets

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    The Spirit was also called the "holy spirit" in the OT (Psalms 51:11; Isaiah 63:10; Isaiah 63:11). The comforter would be the same holy spirit of YHWH. I said no such thing. I said, "The logos did indeed become a person." The logos was not "the Word of God" as though that is the name of a...
  13. gadar perets

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    When is a Greek or Hebrew word "not needed"? What Greek word in Colossians 1:15 is "not needed"? The only word "not needed" in that verse is "over" since it is NOT found in the Greek and whose addition changes the meaning of the text. If that is how you choose to study Scripture and build...
  14. gadar perets

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    If you have been following my earlier posts, you would know that I came against jbf's KJV infallibility stance. Why? Because I know enough Greek and Hebrew to know where the KJV errs. I also know when the NIV or any other translation errs. How? By examining the Greek and Hebrew texts. If you...
  15. gadar perets

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    What are you citing here? A definition for "over"? The translation "over all" was used several times in the NT. Most of the time the word "over" is from the Greek word "epi". It is used in conjunction with "pasan" (epi pasan) with pasan being in the accusative, not the genitive as in...
  16. gadar perets

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    No, they don't nullify Isaiah 43:11. They help us to understand that "and besides me there is no saviour" does NOT mean YHWH is the ONLY saviour in existence. When Isaiah wrote that there were already saviours that YHWH raised up to save Israel. There would also be saviours He will raise up...
  17. gadar perets

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    "Of" has nothing to do with the definition of pas and everything to do with the genitive case which is possessive - of. "Over" is not part of the definition of pas, nor can it be implied grammatically. It is simply a man-made addition to make Colossians 1:15 more palatable for trinitarians...
  18. gadar perets

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    The Holy Spirit has always existed as the power and influence of the Father. It NEVER became a third person of a trinity. The logos did indeed become a person, but before that it was the Father's spoken words, thoughts, plans, etc. Even after the logos was made flesh, that flesh was not the...
  19. gadar perets

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    The word πασης is a form of the adjective marked similar below. This form's case is genitive (which usually indicates "of"), its number is single, and its gender is feminine. Abarim Publications No. It says "through and for him". I have no desire to reduce Messiah in any way except where men...
  20. gadar perets

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    "Christian churches" are coming to believe that it is OK to have homosexual leaders. That does not make it right. For hundreds of years, prior to the KJV, English speaking Christian churches grew up on "it", not "him". That is because you view "the WORD" through trinitarian glasses. Show me...