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  1. gadar perets

    Eternal Security

    Wolves do not draw people to away to exclusively worship Almighty YHWH as the "only true God" (John 17:3). Wolves try to get people to worship someone else as the "only true God". Wolves do not admonish people to remember the Sabbath Day to keep it holy. Wolves try to get people to break the...
  2. gadar perets

    Eternal Security

    I have no problem with YHWH's Sovereignty. That is why I am a pure monotheist and not a trinitarian. His Sovereignty is not to be shared with another. If it was, He would no longer be Sovereign. Nor do I have a problem with His love. If it weren't for His love, I would still be dead in my sins...
  3. gadar perets

    Eternal Security

    I agree. The Savior himself is not the issue. It is what Christianity makes him to be and makes him to teach that is the problem. The problem is also what Christianity makes his early disciples to teach. What Christianity today teaches is NOT what the Bible teaches concerning several key...
  4. gadar perets

    Eternal Security

    Yes, you misunderstood my point because it had absolutely nothing to do with people in the Kingdom who never heard the Gospel. My point relates to people like me that are not "Christians", but who ARE members of the Body of Messiah through faith. You wrote, "3) New Creatures in Christ is another...
  5. gadar perets

    Eternal Security

    I made a simple correction to something you wrote. Who knew you guys were going to correct my correction and misunderstand my point as well. I'm not the one dragging this out. The fact that you are questioning whether or not I am a "salvation by pronunciation" guy shows me that you still do not...
  6. gadar perets

    Eternal Security

    "Church" refers to those who have been called out to faith in Messiah Yeshua. The "Christian church" is a specific sect of those called out. A person can be called out (be part of the church) without being part of the Christian church.
  7. gadar perets

    Eternal Security

    All those verses are contingent upon belief in Yeshua. Those who renounce him no longer believe in him and lose all that they had in him. Yes, he will never leave us, but we can leave him.
  8. gadar perets

    Eternal Security

    You are a sick man jbf. You will stop at nothing to condemn me. No. One only needs to have received Messiah Yeshua as their Saviour. No need to believe all the false doctrines of Christianity as well.
  9. gadar perets

    Eternal Security

    I know your questions were for jbf, but the answer to #3 is "wrong". "Members of the Body of Messiah" would be right. One does not need to be a member of the Christian church to be a new creature in Messiah Yeshua.
  10. gadar perets

    Eternal Security

    Any unbeliever can have a mere knowledge of the gospel, but not accept it at that time. However, years later that same person can most assuredly accept it, believe, and be saved. I would say there are several conditional statements in Romans 8. All the bold are conditions. Rom 8:1 There is...
  11. gadar perets

    Eternal Security

    Hebrews 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. Unsaved people cannot "fall away" from something they were never part of, nor can they be renewed again unto repentance if they were...
  12. gadar perets

    Eternal Security

    Yes, I understand what you believe and I agree with it, but that is not what Rollo believes. I think, by the underlined and bold phrase above, that Rollo meant "can never be lost". I could be wrong. Hopefully @Rollo will clarify his meaning.
  13. gadar perets

    Eternal Security

    Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, - These people were enlightened by the light of the world living in them. and have tasted of the heavenly gift, - Tasted can also refer to eating. It is not clear what the heavenly gift is. Perhaps it is Messiah, or eternal...
  14. gadar perets

    Eternal Security

    Such a person is described in Hebrews 6:4-8.
  15. gadar perets

    Eternal Security

    Shouldn't you have written, "I wholeheartedly disagree" since the rest of your post is against eternal security, but Rollo Tamasi's post was for eternal security?
  16. gadar perets

    Eternal Security

    I know. Post #1746 only addressed the part of your post I quoted. I agree. I bolded what I believe to be the key words. Someone who renounces YHWH's Son as his/her Saviour no longer loves YHWH. Such a person will not be numbered among Yeshua's brothers and sisters. One must continue to abide...
  17. gadar perets

    Eternal Security

    See post #1746.
  18. gadar perets

    Eternal Security

    Jeremiah 32:38-40 only refers to the literal children of Israel after they are regathered from wherever YHWH scattered them around the world. Any believer that renounces Yeshua is no longer a child of YHWH and will not be subject to His discipline, but they will be subject to His judgment.
  19. gadar perets

    Eternal Security

    Rom 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Rom 8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Messiah Yeshua our Lord. I...
  20. gadar perets

    The Problem With The Trinity

    Which is why I don't call myself a Christian. BTW, the "historic Christian faith" in the incarnation is that "God the Son" became incarnate, not God the Father. Your incarnation view is not as old as the incarnation of God the Son. However, neither view is true. God did not incarnate as the Son...