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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Romans clearly states Israel according to the flesh (ex.Jews today that identity as Israelites) are not the children of God nor are they partakers of the promises. Israelites of the spirit, Jew and Gentile, are Abrahams seed, children of God and inherit the promises. There is only 1 group as...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Most understand this as a sign is given, not a sign on their persons. Most translations do not take it the way you’re presenting it here. What is accurate is that they will go out as missionaries, but most believe this is referring to the apostles
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    Apart from Rice Shortages, Sugar Shortages Are Now Being Reported All Over the World, A Global Famine is Approaching

    Matthew 6:31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? Matthew 24:6-7 see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    1. There is no difference between Jew or Gentile in Christ. Stop separating the body. 2. Yes, they are part of the body which you are separating. There is no Gentile Christian and messianic Christian and Jewish Christian. There is Christian only. First called to our forefathers in Antioch...
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    Apart from Rice Shortages, Sugar Shortages Are Now Being Reported All Over the World, A Global Famine is Approaching

    You are preaching scare tactics rather than what Jesus said. Shame! Those stuck in Babylon are the only ones worrying. -Be content with what you have. -Don't worry about tomorrow. What you will eat or drink. -Don't worry! All these things will come to pass but the end is not yet.
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    The Orthodox Preterist versus the Heretical Dispensationalist

    Was it the Jewish people that the saying, bless those that bless you - curse those that curse you, or was it directed to the sons of God (believers whether Jew or Gentile) ? Where is its fulfillment found and in whom?
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    A question about the rapture

    I don’t intend to do so. You made a claim and I responded. Yes it does, but not how you take it. Thus begins the problem I’d rather follow scripture. But you did say Jesus had come by then because they have crowns. How many times does he come?
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    A question about the rapture

    And yet you neglect everything in Ch 4 and 5 that says otherwise. Your assumption that the elders are resurrected before Christ enters after his death is an impossibility. Where is the Kingdom? Where is the marriage? Where is the bema seat? Where is the resurrection? Where is the last trumpet...
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    A question about the rapture

    I gave you 2 examples to start with considering you were not involved in other discussions where scripture was indicated. Asking a question is never conjecture. Secondly, though I did not mention it but you brought it up, there is only 2 comings in scripture and 1 already happened. Christ is in...
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    A question about the rapture

    Already answered in my reply to him through various topics on these forums. Start with this simple question. Step 1: When you win a prize, are you rewarded when you meet the judges to receive it and your name mentioned as the winner or is it 2-4k years later after you won? After you’ve thought...
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    God's Removal Of His Body 'Away' From the earth...

    That falling away” must undoubtedly imply that the persons so apostatising had formerly held (or, perhaps, still professed to hold) the Christian faith: men cannot fall from ground which they never occupied. This vast and dreadful Apostasy (see Luke 18:8), so clearly and prominently taught of to...
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    A question about the rapture

    And yet believers come out of it in the 5th seal and afterwards. No, because the messages to the churches are separate from the heavenly scene. Failure to see a distinction will always result in improper understanding. When you realize Ch.5 is a past event when Christ entered heaven and John...
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    A question about the rapture

    It it was Biblical, we could call it a fact. Example: When verses tell us when the DotL begins and they parallel happening after the 6th seal, not before the 1st. Or how Elders were in the heavenly scene before Christ; or how do Elders hold their own prayers?; or how they sing with angels...
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    The Rapture will also be a time of mass suicide; the Tribulation a time of mass condemnation (still at rest?)

    1. All the signs of “end times” have been here for over 1 thousand years. All except an apostasia and the man of sin. 2 prerequisites. 2. Was Rahab left behind, or was she and her family delivered on the same day destruction came when the 7th Trumpet blew? What about the last day? The...
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    A question about the rapture

    Do they understand “Ice T” is Dr. Tommy Ice? Btw, I believe he is a man that loves the Lord dearly.
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    We’re the two witnesses from the past?

    I find it difficult for it to evolve if it was and is not. You cannot evolve when you cease. I prefer to deal with what the Bible says. I don't want to get into "what we think", but rather what God tells us. If that were true, why does God's word provide a way out from it? Specifically, that...
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    We’re the two witnesses from the past?

    Question here... Daniel 7 mentions 4 beasts. 3And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another. 1. The first was like a lion, 2. a second, like to a bear 3. After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, 4. an Unknown beast I don't think anyone disagrees that the...
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    Will you be caught up in the rapture or left-behind??

    As I said earlier, some believe this way, some believe that way. I wish you well in your own truth's.
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    Will you be caught up in the rapture or left-behind??

    No disrespect is taken. I agree, some people have a hard time with it. This is why we don't agree with each other. Yet countless wars have influenced the nations to battle, kingdom vs kingdom just as Christ said before He and the end comes. There has been no suppression of deception. Yes, now...