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    Conflating Jesus' Second Coming with the Scorched Earth is not possible

    That is speaking of the 7 heads. Rev 17 The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. 10And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. Isaiah 7:8 shows heads are the Capital City and...
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    Conflating Jesus' Second Coming with the Scorched Earth is not possible

    Yes he was: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come. Rev 17:10 I was quoting it
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    Conflating Jesus' Second Coming with the Scorched Earth is not possible

    You’re saying Satan was bound at the cross. John was given a future prophecy about 96AD. In it, he was told of the Dragon (Satan) with 7 heads. He was told 5 are fallen, 1 is and the other hasn’t come yet. How is Satan sealed in 96AD, about 66 years after the cross, when 1 head exists in...
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    Spiritual Millennialism is not with Satan shut up

    Can you explain this to me: If Satan was bound at the cross, why was the time for Christians after the cross the worst time for the church. When Satan was free to roam, before the cross, they were safe. How does his sealing make things worse, not better for us?
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    Spiritual Millennialism is not with Satan shut up

    Do you believe Christ returns at the 2nd advent? If so, then he isn’t here now. He will come back. If he will return and he isn’t here now, what do you call that? What differs if he’s spiritually with us now and hasn’t returned yet?
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    A polite question for pretribbers

    Right. If you keep his works until the end comes, when he dissolves things, he gives power over the nations. Meaning, we are here afterwards
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    A polite question for pretribbers

    If it’s dissolved at his return, how does this happen? he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: 27And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father. How...
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    Spiritual Millennialism is not with Satan shut up

    At the 7th Trumpet, the time Christ begins his reign, will Satan be sealed. That is the time we meet him in the air, as you shown, that Satan will no longer have power of the air. True. Why? Otherwise Christ would be reigning the same time the beast reigns and Satan with it during the trumpets...
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    Spiritual Millennialism is not with Satan shut up

    When Satan is sealed, the god of this world won’t rule over all the Kingdoms. As Satan showed Christ, all the Kingdoms were and are his. Only at the 7th future trumpet will it be Christ. Christ cannot reign over the world with Satan reigning. When Satan is sealed, he will not have freedom to...
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    Conflating Jesus' Second Coming with the Scorched Earth is not possible

    Let me get this straight. Christ dies and rises and when he ascends, he is reigning. Now that he left, the Gospel is in its purest form at least for the next 100 years. That same hundred years and whatever after, Satan is sealed. So you're telling, all the persecution the early church had: the...
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    Conflating Jesus' Second Coming with the Scorched Earth is not possible

    If you take Rev 20:4 to mean a past event, then those who lived and reigned spiritually overcame and died to the beast. How does Christ reign the same time as the beast? And if he reigned at his ascension, his people fighting the beast, Satan couldn’t be sealed because he works in tandem with...
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    What and when is the rapture Part 2

    Not sure what you’re asking. Are you asking where does it say there will be a trumpet sound on the day of the lord or on a normal day? It’s confusing
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    What and when is the rapture Part 2

    I agree with you. Babylon’s example was the Jews lived in it, but were supposed to remain different while in her. When the command came “come out of her” my people, they left her for Jerusalem (Jeremiah 51:45). Some of the verses Marty linked were to Jerusalem, but in both there’s distinctions...
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    What and when is the rapture Part 2

    @Marty fox @ewq1938 I was reading a page back and noticed you both talking about Babylon. Marty believes it refers to Jerusalem Ewq disagrees because it’s Port based If I may, Ezekiel 27 paints a picture of Tyre as Babylon. I do not believe Tyre is Babylon, I just notice similarities. The...
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    What and when is the rapture Part 2

    Isn’t that the first resurrection of those physically killed (beheaded and martyred) that come to life?
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    What and when is the rapture Part 2

    So there no physical resurrection?
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    What and when is the rapture Part 2

    That doesn’t answer my question. It says they are beheaded. If you’re spiritualizing it, what’s figurative of beheaded?
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    What and when is the rapture Part 2

    If the 1st resurrection is spiritual, how do you spiritualize them being beheaded and martyred? According to you that isn’t physical. Please explain
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality.

    “and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.” Hmm. John saw 1 group’s souls and they lived and reigned. That group is identified as having been previously dead because vs. 5 differentiates between...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality.

    Imho, that is not what Paul was saying. He did not say: Death = Go to Heaven He did say: I’d rather leave my fleshly tent and I’d rather be in my heavenly tent. That heavenly tent is the one that is given to us at the 2nd Advent. Paul was saying the same thing we all want. I too would rather...