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    Theosis vs Christlikeness

    Brazen serpent........only because all sin and evil was laid on Him as the scapegoat. Not His own sins/iniquity because He didn't have any.
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    Theosis vs Christlikeness

    God is spirit, that is His nature.......we who are born of Him are His spiritual sons/daughters. We share in His nature now, through our new man. "Our new man has been created after the image of He who created it"....so it was created/born perfect and spiritual. It's our old man that is...
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    The Angel of YHWH as YHWH God

    This is what you wrote there: <<Agreed. Angels are created beings but as “spirits” they have rank and position in heaven. Like their Creator, they have no material form....none that we can see with our literal eyes. The word “angel” means “messenger”....and many angels have appeared to God’s...
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    Theosis vs Christlikeness

    No, so far not so good brother....peace pipe on a mountaintop...?....walking in the Spirit is not like that at all. You need to see some lovely-in-the-Lord genuine examples, not the typical church conference hype. No earthly good..? I'm thinking a deeper consecration would help us to serve the...
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    The Angel of YHWH as YHWH God

    I consider you a loved brother in the Lord Johann. I don't know what you lack, but I was guessing you might not have received/been filled with the Holy Spirit since you are in the cessationist camp, or partly. If you never experience things of the Holy Spirit, that is probably why....because...
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    The Angel of YHWH as YHWH God

    I want to just enjoy some fellowship and discussion but unfortunately can't seem to keep up very well.....getting old but also still tired from being sick and the business of the Christmas season. I'm sorry I can't address everything that is being said here or on the other thread. But don't...
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    Theosis vs Christlikeness

    Same with regard to our service to the Lord....we in our flesh do not serve Him with absolute perfection, no we sure don't. We always fall short that way in spite of our best efforts. But times when the Lord takes over and we in our vessel are in spirit and yielded to Him.........He does what...
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    Theosis vs Christlikeness

    That is how I see it as well. There is both a progressive element or phase of the journey that is seen in scripture for sure, as well as I believe there can be a kind of completion of the good work that the Lord started in us. And maybe by the sounds of things there is still progression even...
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    The Angel of YHWH as YHWH God

    I agree there are many who are in error running after signs and miracles etc in a completely fleshly way, and we need to guard against that...........but overall I see scripture speaking of both faith and experience. Until experience comes, in the meantime we need the battle of "little by...
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    The Angel of YHWH as YHWH God

    Amen. I've been reflecting on how we need to be focused on our new man which is seated in heavenly places, and not focused on the old man and its earthly concerns. Having our eyes fixed on what is unseen, not on what is seen. Noticing how double-minded I am, especially at this time of...
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    Theosis vs Christlikeness

    This verse comes to mind: Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
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    The Angel of YHWH as YHWH God

    Heaven...the heavenly spiritual realm....is not constrained by time. I believe this applies to us as well as to Jesus......something to think upon, selah....Jesus said we shall be like the angels. That fellowservant in Rev 18 for example...that could have taken place while alive, or after his...
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    The Angel of YHWH as YHWH God

    To the carnal mind of the natural man, it makes no sense. The natural man can't perceive the things of the spirit, they are spiritually discerned, ie they must be revealed by the Holy Spirit.
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    The Angel of YHWH as YHWH God

    Contradicting yourself here. Angels can indeed appear materialized in human form. The resurrected Christ Jesus can do the same, and even before His death and resurrection, because the heavenly realm exists outside of time, or maybe we should say not constrained by time. Yes, they do: Mar...
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    Theosis vs Christlikeness

    I'm always suspicious of extra-biblical terminology. Where is "theosis" in new testament apostolic teachings or anywhere in the bible. Or "higher walk" for that matter. I don't know why we can't simply stick to what the bible says instead of trying to re-invent the wheel that the Lord already...
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    Theosis vs Christlikeness

    Never equal to God, no, I completely agree, and that is a hill I would die on...scripture is clear there is one God and never will be another one after Him. But believers will be divine heavenly beings one day when we put off this mortal tabernacle and put on what is incorruptible. Jesus said...
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    Theosis vs Christlikeness

    There are principles in scripture, amen. To be fair I think Epi did state that. But God works in "mysterious" ways...ie, spiritual ways, and I think it is those ways that are "beyond finding out". I think of it in terms that the Lord always reserves the right to be God and does what He wants...
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    Theosis vs Christlikeness

    Yes I should have qualified that. Epi was making a point that the Lord doesn't follow or invent formulas. For example Jesus never healed the same way twice, but always was led by the Spirit. In that sense I agreed with his point. We too often see the Lord do something one way once and then...
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    Theosis vs Christlikeness

    Agree in principle with this above. But not with this, whoa. What is all the bridal imagery all about to begin with, if not marital union with our heavenly Husband? 1Co 6:15-17 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the...
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    The Angel of YHWH as YHWH God

    And just to say, I agree that the angel of the Lord is God appearing...and specifically I believe it is likely Christ, because He is the one out of the Three who had a body that was glorified and so became "like the angels".....as we also will when we die and are resurrected.