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A fetus does not become a living being until God breathes into it the breath/spirit of life; and a fetus cannot breathe in the womb; and as Job confirmed, he was only alive while the breath of life was in its nostrils.

Yeah “He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world”, but that has nothing to with the subject under discussion.

It’s all laid out in msg #281.

Actually, correct translation from the Greek is that the fetus leaped in her womb, and it does not say that it leaped for joy! Fetuses start kicking a couple times an hour during the last couple months of pregnancy. It is simply a reflex action enabled to develop muscles before birth; and then...

@charity, a very intelligent well reasoned analysis!

The final arbiter of the meaning of a word is the Oxford Dictionary within the Legal System: The act of giving untimely birth to offspring, premature delivery, miscarriage; the procuring of premature delivery so as to destroy offspring. (In Medicine. abortion is limited to a delivery so...

Thank you for what you “feel”, conspicuously lack in the tiniest modicum of Scriptural references. I have provided a number of Scriptural references to God’s feelings on the matter in #281. So . . Whose feelings do do you figure are more reliable? Yours or God’s ?

Abortion only has one meaning: A fetus expelled from the womb before it is born.

Abortion and miscarriage are both the same word in the Hebrew. They both refer to a fetus being expelled from the womb.

Just because God didn't provide a detailed account, doesn't mean it didn't happen. And of course we all know that an argument based on silence is not worth considering.

You posted one interpretation of 8 variances. Maybe my take from it is wrong, and then again, it might be right. The passage has left me with no doctrinal certainty, and the answer is unimportant to me because in all my years, I have never witnessed a woman having a miscarriage because two guys...

God was still doing it the same way in Job's time: “The Spirit of God has made me, And the breath of the Almighty gives me life. “Refute me if you can; Array yourselves before me, take your stand. “Behold, I belong to God like you; I too have been formed out of the clay. “Behold, no fear of...

The Scripture I read does!

People have abortions all the time. God has designed that system that way, so that if a fetus is not forming correctly, it just a part of nature that she has a spontaneous abortion/miscarriage.

That's what the Bible says, and a fetus does not have the breath of life while submerged amniotic sac. Do you have a problem with God's revelation as to how He creates?

There are many different translations of this passage: -a pregnant woman suffers a miscarriage -so that her fruit depart -she loses her child -so that she has a miscarriage -her infant shall come out -her child be born imperfectly formed, -and she miscarry indeed, So a reasonable interpretation...

For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. >He was a life before he left the womb While in the womb, he was still being knit together, just like when God created Adam, he wasn't a living being until all the parts were in place. “The LORD God formed the man...

Can I just not reason? That's the same approach the Serpent used to deceive Eve in the Garden! She had God's word on the matter, but decided to go with Satan's reasoning instead. And this was the last message left with mankind: I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this...