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What do you think those who believe the Trinity and Jewish monotheism is a false dichotomy are saying?

What’s interesting to me about this thread @Hiddenthings is that some of them want to be in my corner but they aren’t willing to do what it takes to be in my corner. Most of them want me to be in their corner but I’m unwilling to do what it takes to be in (return to) their corner. The Trinity...

As an outsider now, I would place them all in the trinitarian corner. I wouldn’t place any of them in the Jewish monotheism corner.

I was expressing my agreement with him that trinitarianism is a form of monotheism and that trinitarians don’t worship three Gods. Where we differed is he thinks the Trinity and Jewish monotheism is a false dichotomy and I think it is a true dichotomy. I don’t know if he endorses historical...

No.

That calls for speculation, which I’m not big on doing.

As a requirement, yes.

Yes. To some extent.

“Trinity is really only a big thing on the internet.“ That doesn’t speak well for the Trinity. If I were a trinitarian pastor I would do whatever I could to change that. For decades, I’ve publicly called for church history to be taught in all churches and privately in homes. I’m not a...

The elephant in the room is the Trinity, which isn’t my God. The church soon departed from Jewish monotheism and gradually became trinitarian. If we’re looking for the source of division, we‘ll find it in church history. Jewish monotheists aren’t the ones who moved away from the Messiah’s...

It’s when you (or anyone else) go beyond that primitive Christian faith where we part company.

Going strictly and solely by what you wrote in this post, yes. You stated my faith impeccably.

Welcome to the forum. Your comment about Islam was going to be my follow-up question to @talons. If I’m understanding you correctly, you’re saying that you wouldn’t put the Trinity and Jewish monotheism in the same corner. I welcome you recording your response in the poll.

Unless he has changed what he believes and I’m unaware of it, Zarley believes in ideal preexistence and the virgin birth. His Christology is Socinian.

Thanks. It appears to me that in your case the dichotomy is (or may be) either true or false and is based not on (or at least not exclusively on) monotheism per se but rather on confession that Jesus is the Messiah. The majority of Jewish monotheists deny that Jesus is the Messiah. Would that...

Thank you for asking for clarification. And welcome to the forum. I’m referring to the unitarian branch of Messianic Judaism. They are Jews who believe Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah but reject the liberty believers have as expressed in the letters of Paul.

Thanks. In light of that, would you still say that it is a false dichotomy?