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  1. St. SteVen

    Observations about the law, the Law, God's law, Christ's law - four different things

    We've switched horses midstream on this. I was trying to get @Soyeong to define "God's law". Which didn't happen. [
  2. St. SteVen

    Did Jesus say that adultery is grounds for divorce? - Nope.

    I think fornication should be part of the discussion regardless of whether it is a "biblical word". Jesus differentiates between adultery (immorality after marriage) and fornication (immorality BEFORE marriage). The only allowance for divorce was written in the law. Parents that provided a...
  3. St. SteVen

    Speak to the value of following Jesus

    Good post, thanks. This bit reminded me of something I say from time to time. Even if they blow the planet out from beneath your feet, if you have Jesus, you have everything. [
  4. St. SteVen

    Is the "free gift" of salvation really free? - Honestly?

    Universalism is one of three valid biblical views of the final judgement. The belief was from the early church in the east. Two of my forum topics on the subject. Apokatastasis in the Bible Apokatastasis in the early church [
  5. St. SteVen

    Is the "free gift" of salvation really free? - Honestly?

    I have never said any such thing. Universalism does NOT lead people to hell. [
  6. St. SteVen

    Observations about the law, the Law, God's law, Christ's law - four different things

    Yes, of course. But... I agree that it is poetic in delivery. But the parenthetical statements are informative. And obviously, "the law", "God's law" and "Christ's law" are three different things. 1 Corinthians 9:20-22 NIV To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the...
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    Is the "free gift" of salvation really free? - Honestly?

    I'm sorry, you are WAY off topic. I don't think I have yet to hear you respond to the OP. We are talking about how the church pulls people into the church on false pretense, not driving a Ferrari for "free". If the first drive is for free, how much does it cost after that? [
  8. St. SteVen

    Speak to the value of following Jesus

    Agree. I saw a bumper sticker that said: IF JESUS IS YOUR COPILOT You're in the wrong seat. [
  9. St. SteVen

    Observations about the law, the Law, God's law, Christ's law - four different things

    You still haven't defined for me what God's law is. This passage differentiates between: - the law (which he is not under) - God’s law (which he is not free from) - Christ’s law (which he is under) Three different things. (they can't be the same) 1 Corinthians 9:20-22 NIV To the Jews I became...
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    Is the "free gift" of salvation really free? - Honestly?

    That's not the point. I wish respondents actually read the OP. (sigh) [
  11. St. SteVen

    Speak to the value of following Jesus

    Good point. If we turn it over to God, we free ourselves of the worry. We can then marvel at what He does in response. [
  12. St. SteVen

    Observations about the law, the Law, God's law, Christ's law - four different things

    This scripture makes it different things. 1 Corinthians 9:20-22 NIV To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21 To those not having the law I became...
  13. St. SteVen

    Is the "free gift" of salvation really free? - Honestly?

    I need to repeat my post #108 What do you say to that? [
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    Speak to the value of following Jesus

    St. SteVen said: Why do you take such a myopic view? LOL Your fixation on the word AND proves your near-nearsightedness. Are you claiming that Jesus is incapable of changing a person DESPITE their circumstances? [
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    Is the "free gift" of salvation really free? - Honestly?

    How can obeying laws be a free gift? It costs something, right? What do you mean when you write "God's law"? https://www.christianityboard.com/threads/observations-about-the-law-the-law-gods-law-christs-law-four-different-things.57502/ [
  16. St. SteVen

    Speak to the value of following Jesus

    Why do you take such a myopic view? Obviously, Jesus is just as capable of changing our circumstances as He is of changing us. 2 Corinthians 3:18 NIV And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate[a] the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which...
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    Bibliolatry: Worship/knowledge of the book MORE than the author

    Thanks for the clarification. I assumed that you were asking Jack which translation of the Bible is the "Christian" Bible. And frankly, I'm not sure why Jack would choose an earlier canon. ??? [
  18. St. SteVen

    Evidence of spiritual regeneration - the conversion experience

    Show me a sign. >>> >>> >>> >>> What do we look for in a new convert to give evidence of regeneration in their conversion experience? Bearing in mind that not everyone has an event, or day, to cite as their conversion time. It may have been more gradual. Either way, there should be some...
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    Is the "free gift" of salvation really free? - Honestly?

    Agree. Question: Were you put off by all the requirements the church wanted to put on you when you first believed? - Daily Bible reading and prayer. - Regular church attendance and tithing. - Sharing the Gospel. - Discipling others. - Good works. [