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That is your additional conclusion for interpreting it, but where does Jesus say in Matthew's gospel say those things? You have added to the text context that isn't there, I think. In other words, support your opinions with other passages.

Why do you present these quotes? They assume that there will be a future, literal, millennial kingdom on earth with all the events that surround it. Where do you find such a context in Matthew? He says at the beginning of the sermon that he began it with his disciples. By the end, the crowds...

I completely agree with you, Behold, but the question is when were they predestined, I think. Ephesians 1 says that it was before God made anything and anyone. That was when he "fore-loved" them too, according to Romans 8.

No, we are conformed to the image of Christ now in principle but not yet completely in practice like all of the Christian life (2 Corinthians 3:18 and Eph 4:15 Rather, speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ, Eph 4:16 from whom the...

No, Paul teaches that those whom God fore-loved, he also predestined (Romans 8:29).

Okay. I'm not edified when this forum censors me for even mentioning the 3-in-1 nature of God. I suggested that they should banish argumentative people instead of topics like the heart of Christian faith, the Trinity, but I have left this forum except for my responses to some of my posts. May...

You've got that right, brother!!

My understanding of the KJV's translation "repent" for God is that the more-accurate translation is "relent" like several modern translations. In other words, when Nineveh repented and turned from their wicked ways due to Jonah's preaching, God changed from applying his justice to his mercy. The...

Okay, goodbye!

How edifying can it be, when there is no real answer to its meaning?

Yes, I agree. May God bless you abundantly!

Not to even mention the Trinity is to tear the "guts" out of the heart of the Christian faith. I've recommended that they delete the accounts of argumentative people rather than censoring topics, especially Christian ones. If I am censored, so be it. I will leave.

God has given me emotional relief of the peace of Philippians 4:6-7 with a biblical prayer that isn't in our western culture to our detriment. It is lamenting like Job 10, Psalm 39 and 88, and Jeremiah's Lamentations. God used such persistent prayers to give me that peace. Try it persistently...

I agree, Dan! The three Persons of the Trinity are one God, who works together always.

What you say is true, but it doesn't go far enough. The "thorn" was "a messenger of Satan," according to Paul. Satan attacks different believers in various ways, sometimes physically, as he did Job, and other times in his relationships, as he also did to Job.

You're on my daily prayer list now, if that's okay with you.

1) When you find out the BIBLICAL meaning of foreknowing, not the rationally-discerned meaning, you will discover that it means, when used of God about persons, "fore-loved," because the word for "know" means a close relationship of love. Adam knew Eve, and they had a child. 2) Job 1:1 "There...

It appears that people don't want to share their "thorns in the flesh." I wonder why that is. Is it that we need to appear strong, even on a forum, instead of admitting that we are really weak? I'm inviting you to share what God has done in helping you deal with your "thorn" so that your witness...

God didn't "work with" Satan on anything, but he has permitted and brought good out of the "messenger from Satan" that Paul describes his "thorn in the flesh" as.

Behold, I respect your beliefs, but you don't respect mine. You seem to be saying that God has no control over evil; that belief is insulting to the sovereign God. We DO NOT "negatively and falsely frame God." He is "large and in charge," as someone has said. He limits even Satan in his attacks...