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  1. Stumpmaster

    Theology ........FYI

    Yes, he was forced to act as a sort of advisor to the Romans, and if I recall correctly was with Titus during the siege and fall of Jerusalem in 70AD.
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    Theology ........FYI

    I picked up on the term Israelology and now I like converting topics into "ologies" when I bookmark things on the web. Gardenology is an example. I'm not well informed about the land of Israel or the politics of the present day nation of Israel, but OT Israel in history and prophecy is an...
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    Theology ........FYI

    I think it was Chuck Missler who included Israelology as a branch of Biblical Theology.
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    Does your church teach this as commanded to do? Do you?

    My observation is that opinions on what constitutes godliness vary among Christians. 1Ti 4:6-8 If you instruct the brethren in these things, you will be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished in the words of faith and of the good doctrine which you have carefully followed. (7) But reject...
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    What Makes Ex-Christians Think They Once Were Christians?

    Bordering on non-sequitur but I'll let it past. A branch on the Vine that bears no fruit is going to get pruned off and burned. A branch that does bear fruit is also going to get pruned so it produces more fruit. Those are CONSEQUENCES. They CONTRAST with regard to being fruitful. A...
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    What Makes Ex-Christians Think They Once Were Christians?

    Branches may be thriving but not producing fruit. This happens when flowers are not pollinated, or pests and diseases disrupt the fruiting process.
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    What Makes Ex-Christians Think They Once Were Christians?

    Thanks for your thoughts @Taken The New Testament writers are occupied with this topic, hence their exhortations to remain faithful, which are in alignment with the Lord's illustration of branches needing to abide in the Vine. Satan lives to lure prospects away from the Way. Mat 13:18-19...
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    What Makes Ex-Christians Think They Once Were Christians?

    Hopefully not ashamed . . . 1Pe 4:16 Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in this matter.
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    What Makes Ex-Christians Think They Once Were Christians?

    In John 15 God decides which branches of the Vine to cut off, but branches which fail to abide in the Vine do so of their own volition. Joh 15:2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. Joh 15:4-7...
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    What Makes Ex-Christians Think They Once Were Christians?

    Sigh. The topic is those who fall away, not those who stay. The focus is on those who were once enlightened, tasted the heavenly gift, became partakers of the Holy Spirit, tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, were in Christ as branches of the Vine, were...
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    What Makes Ex-Christians Think They Once Were Christians?

    That modifies the term "in Christ" to what?
  12. Stumpmaster

    What Makes Ex-Christians Think They Once Were Christians?

    Only spurious converts, wayside hearers, stony ground hearers, and weed-choked hearers. Ok, what does being "in Christ" mean if some who are "in Christ" die on the Vine? Joh 15:1-2 “I am the true vine, and My Father is the keeper of the vineyard. (2) He cuts off every branch in Me that...
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    What Makes Ex-Christians Think They Once Were Christians?

    So what makes ex-Christians think they once were Christians? We have had some good answers and insights but just looping over and over how people become Christians doesn't answer this question and evades the issue of Christians who die on the vine. I know, it's difficult for those...
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    What Makes Ex-Christians Think They Once Were Christians?

    Many scholars categorise the term "born again" as a metaphor because it carries the meaning across by referencing the natural process to describe the spiritual one. Quote from Cambridge Dictionary: METAPHORICALLY metaphorically adverb relating to or using metaphors (= expressions that...
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    What Makes Ex-Christians Think They Once Were Christians?

    John 15:1-2 "I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. (2) Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit.
  16. Stumpmaster

    What Makes Ex-Christians Think They Once Were Christians?

    The username Shekel comes to mind. I didn't know he recanted, but I recall a dogmatic reliance on his formulas at the forefront of his material which might have had an undesirable influence.
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    What Makes Ex-Christians Think They Once Were Christians?

    Metaphors have their limits. Going beyond such limits leads to error, and heresy. Receiving the Spirit and then rejecting it is possible. Many think because they have been magically "born again" they can never think, say, or do anything that would jeopardise their supposed salavation. The...
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    What Makes Ex-Christians Think They Once Were Christians?

    Yes, very clearly and sensibly stated @Keturah Much of the New Testament, and particularly the book of Hebrews addresses the potential to forfeit salvation. Heb 10:28-29 Anyone who has rejected Moses' law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. (29) Of how much worse...
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    What Makes Ex-Christians Think They Once Were Christians?

    I've come across a few former professing Christians who have either lost their faith or renounced it. Real scenario. It happens. Heb 6:4-6 For concerning those who were once enlightened and tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Spirit, (5) and tasted the good word...