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Exactly, I’m glad someone else can see it for what it is. They are trying to redefine the meaning of the first resurrection that is ONLY mentioned twice in scripture in Rev. 20:5-6.

It is true, Again the term the first resurrection is limited specifically to Rev. 20:5-6. Tell me did Jesus have to be born again to be a part of the first resurrection, or did Jesus have to physically die in order to be the first fruits of the first resurrection?

But yet you consider the first resurrection as mentioned and defined in Rev. 20: 5-6 to be those who are born again, not bodily resurrected. Tell me, did Jesus have to be born again to be considered a part of the first resurrection? Or did He have to physically die first to be the first to be...

I’m not, Straw man I’m not Straw man I’m not straw man. You are just another false accuser. Good day.

Again, I know you must be born again of the Holy Spirit to be a part of the future bodily resurrection= the first resurrection. But when you conflate the new spiritual rebirth with the term “the first resurrection” then you are preaching confusion. Again the term the first resurrection is...

You are doing the same by calling being born again the first resurrection. There is only 2 places the first resurrection is mentioned in scripture and that is in Rev. 20:5-6.

I never left the Truth, people just have a problem hearing the Truth.

That is what you are doing by calling being born again the first resurrection as is mentioned in Rev. 20:5-6 Look up the word born and the word resurrection, look up the word spirit and the word body, they are not the same.

Again that is not in question. But what is happening is you/they are saying A and B are the same event.

That is not in question. What is causing the Amils confusion is that they believe being born again is the first resurrection mentioned in Rev. 20:5-6. Being renewed in the heart/mind/spirit does not replace the first bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ at the last day. It might help if...

That is not in question. You and others are trying to say that being born again is the first resurrection mentioned in Rev. 20:5-6. Being born again of the Spirit is not a bodily resurrection. That is why Amils believe the first resurrection is past. And that also why they believe the...

I never said he did, Straw man. But being born again of the Holy Spirit is not the first resurrection mentioned in Rev.20 5-6. The Holy Spirit is the down payment on the purchased possession, but it is not a done deal until the day of redemption. Romans 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves...

That is why I said you are calling being born again the first bodily resurrection as is defined in Rev. 20:5-6. Being born again of the Holy Spirit is not a bodily resurrection. You and others are trying redefine the meaning of the first bodily resurrection.

I disagree, because Rev. 20:5-6 is not talking about being born again of the Holy Spirit, it is talking about the resurrection of dead in Christ at the last day.

And that is what I thought you would say because you Amils believe being born again of the Holy Spirit IS partaking in the first bodily resurrection. That IS the point I was making in the OP.

And there is your confession right there. You believe being born again of the Holy Spirit IS taking part in the first bodily resurrection. But being born again is not the first resurrection mentioned in Rev. 20:5-6 no matter how hard you try to spin it.

Doh! Rev. 20:5-6 is specifically speaking about the bodily resurrection of the dead in Christ, it is not talking about being born again of the Holy Spirit.

Then tell me, which resurrection is to the dead in Christ, the first resurrection or the second resurrection?

The second death has no power over those who remain in Christ while alive on this earth. BUT if one departs from the faith and does not abide in Christ the Spirit departs and they are now twice dead spiritually.

This is the verse you are talking about… 1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. The incorruptible seed is Christ,( the Word of God) that now dwells in us. The spirit has been renewed, But being born...