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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    This question is rhetorical in nature, really, Timtofly, but doesn't one have to be alive to stand (or to do anything, really...)? Can a dead person stand? Well, in horror movies maybe... :) So, in reference specifically to Revelation 20:12, where John "saw the dead, great and small, standing,"...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    That's... not how to see it. Revelation is a series of parallel views covering the time period since the earthly ministry of Jesus until He returns. The kingdom is here now, but not yet in its fullness, not yet consummated. Disagree. The majority of Revelation "deals with " the time before...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    He is seated ~ which means far, far more than sitting in a chair...:) ~ at the right hand of the Father ~ which means far, far more than "sitting to the Father's right as opposed to His left... :) Aside: The Father is Spirit ~ John 4:24 ~ and therefore does not have a right or left hand, or...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    ...of Revelation 20. Yes, because it is. :) Hmm, by "dead," do you mean physically deceased? If so, then no, because not all will die physically; there will be some still alive physically at Jesus's return. Paul alludes to this in 1 Thessalonians 4. So, to your statement here, no, after...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    It is what it is, David... Nowhere does it say it is before the millennium, either, David. But if one understands correctly the structure of John's Revelation... That's the central issue, really. Sure, agreed. Grace and peace to you, David.
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    So you don’t think what John “sees” in the particular vision of Revelation 20:11-15 is a representation of the same Judgment Jesus describes in Matthew 25:31-46? If not, David, that puts you far outside orthodox (generally accepted) Christian thought on that. All unbelievers will answer in...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    Nobody said it was; I'm not even sure what would spur such a comment... Nope. Nope. The sheep are... The sheep have. Jesus's sheep hear His voice, and He knows them, and they follow Him (John 10:27), the direct result of the first resurrection, having been made to see, hear, sing, and leap...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    Thanks for the kind words, David. To God be the glory. Well, I don't really notice any "deficiency"... I think you probably could, with a little practice, maybe... Or hey, all us Christians have gifts of the Spirit. Maybe you are gifted in ways you're not even aware of at present... I...
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    The Sun, God's tool to change the World

    Jesus is the Lamb of God, and as such the Sacrifice of the Lamb without blemish that all the sacrifices mandated in the Old Testament pointed to. Yes, Christians are to make no sacrifice in light of that, except for offering ourselves as living sacrifices... also in light of Jesus's final...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    Hmmm, confronted with your own words, and you deny them. Interesting. But we could, if only... :) But not before getting in some really good parting shots, eh? :) The core issue is what you presume to be falsehood. Our being born again of the Spirit and the resulting resurrection ~ both...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    Well, yeah... immediately after His return. Sure. If you don't understand this to be all people, if you disagree that in Matthew 25:31-46, believers from all time are on His right and unbelievers from all time are on His left, if you disagree that this is Jesus's graphic depiction of the final...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    Just a couple of things to that post... after your "Back to topic" heading... :) Uh... what??? Yes, Christ has certainly been physically, bodily resurrected... :) I mean, that's kind of what Christianity is based on... :) As Paul says: "God raised the Lord and will also raise us up by his...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    All your posts recently have progressively done this at my expense. It's worth saying that I'm not really "bothered" by anything you've said, but it is what it is. From the most recent post preceding the one I am responding to here ~ specifically post #83 ~ you said the following: (regarding...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    I have no doubt about what you are saying here. But David, you having never attended a church where the sheep and the goats judgment... Aside: You're talking about Matthew 25:31-46 here, right? And are you talking about the timing of it, like in relation to the millennium of Revelation 20...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    You explicitly accused me (and others) of twisting God's Word, Zao, which, if deliberately done, would be necessarily, and even egregiously, sinful. If this is not what you meant, then maybe you should have found some other way to say what you were saying. Well, the "proved from the Bible"...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    Well, that's fine, but it seems others are making that insinuation. But just to what you say here, we could all say that about each other; each of us gets our information from somewhere, :) And if any of us says, "Oh, well, my understanding is directly from the Holy Spirit"... I mean, each...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    "Good" amillennialists would never say or imply this, Zao. As I have said, Christ did not need to be quickened spiritually ~ born again ~ as He, being (as you agree) God was never dead in sin. "Good" amillennialists certainly don't deny this; Christ was certainly physically, bodily...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    You mean on this side of glory, I believe. Well, I disagree. :) I disagree. :) Well, as long as you keep saying it can only make sense while living here, then you make it into an insurmountable obstacle. I mean, it’s not, really, because that’s not really the case. I thought I explained it...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    Two questions to this for you, David. Actually three… 1. Who is your King? Is Jesus not your King, right now? This is rhetorical, actually, and I would submit to you that you, having been born again of the Spirit and raised up with Christ and seated with Him in the heavenly places (Ephesians...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    Right, if A and B are opposed (so to speak) to each other, then the only possibilities are that one is right and the other wrong… or that both are wrong. If ‘private interpretation’ is meant in the sense of, oh, ‘personally accepted,’ or understood in a particular way by one group of persons...