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. I know you, Dave. You're going to be sorry for this later. '

. I'm sure I wouldn't know anything about that. It's a long way down off a high horse, Dave. '

. Of course, it is! You took this post from me to Big Troll personally, didn't you? How can you not see that claiming Adventists believe they are saved by keeping the 4th commandment is about as egregious a straw man argument as you could hope to run into, Dave? ' '

.. . YES!!! IT'S THE "WASHED IN THE SABBATH'S BLOOD" STRAW MAN ARGUMENT COMING IN FOR THE BIG WIN!!! ' '

. God has His seven thousand in every church and denomination and He has a remnant organization in which He is currently doing His highly-organized, finishing work. The non-denominationalism that has turned into anti-denominationalism is not of God. The "Word of Truth," as you call it is...

Dave, you're all over the place and I nearly always feel like I'm talking to someone speaking a language I barely even recognize when we have these discussions. You do this "antichrist" business quite frequently. You've done it to me several times and, although the 2nd quote from @Phoneman777...

. That's mighty nice of you to say, SS, but nearly the whole thing is just a quote from Nichol's book, so I can't take any credit nor even responsibility other than what's appropriate for having sourced it. Of course, my point was that 2 Corinthians 3 is not, as Mosko suggests, being hidden...

Continued— The objector quickly answers: The "ministration of death" was that which was "written and engraved in stones," and is Plainly the Ten Commandments. But not so quickly. Is it correct to speak of a "ministration" and a "law" as synonymous? No. It is correct to speak of the...

. I've always been amused by this kind of elitist stuff. What is the common man to do? ' . Moving on to "cloak-and-dagger" stuff now, I guess. Well, I don't know for sure if an entire book has been written about it, but Francis Nichol included an article debunking its use as an objection to...

DON'T BE RIDICULOUS. YOU SAID: (WHICH IS A LOT LIKE SAYING "YOU HATE FILET MIGNON BECAUSE YOU LIKE POPCORN," BTW) I DON'T TAKE OFFENSE AT THE OBVIOUS OFFENSE BUT WHY DON'T WE JUST CALL THINGS WHAT THEY ARE? HOW COULD THIS BE SEEN AS ANYTHING OTHER THAN AN ACCUSATION OF IDOLATRY? I DON'T...

WHAT EXACTLY DOES JOHN 3:16-18 SAY ABOUT THE 7TH DAY OR ABOUT REST? .

THEN THE WORDS "CENTRAL DECLARATION" AS YOU HAVE USED THEM MEAN NOTHING. AND, UNLIKE YOU HAVE DONE TO ME, I WON'T BE MAKING ANY DECLARATIONS ABOUT WHAT YOU SEE OR DON'T SEE. IT IS THE HEIGHT OF IRONY THAT MANY WHO ARE CONSTANTLY ACCUSED OF "JUDGING" RECEIVE VASTLY MORE OF IT THAN THEY GIVE. .

. Works of the law can't save, but saving grace through the Spirit can work out the law from the heart. ' '

. It was never meant to make anyone righteous, Zig. ' . It has nothing to do with what anyone does but with what God says. I think that's worth discussing, but I don't insist that anyone participate. Nothing personal, of course, Zig. I think you know that. :) ' '

YOU'RE NOT GETTING AWAY WITH MOVING THE GOALPOSTS LIKE THAT. IF IT'S THE "CENTRAL DECLARATION" THEN IT DOESN'T NEED THE "NOT THE ONLY' DESIGNATION. I WANT YOU TO SHOW ME HOW IT'S THE CENTRAL DECLARATION. 3 FULL VERSES DON'T NEED THE HELP OF VERSES "THROUGHOUT THE GOSPEL" TO BE A CENTRAL...

. @David in NJ You said that John 3:16-18 is the CENTRAL declaration of MESSIAH being the 7th Day of REST for the Jewish people and the whole world. ' IT IS NOT THERE AND ALL OF THE MULTIPLICITOUS CASUISTRY IN THE WORLD IS NOT GOING TO PUT IT THERE. '

. You bettter read Exodus 16 (link), Exodus 19 (link), Exodus 20 (link), and double-check that one, Zig. ' '

THEY'RE FOUND IN EXODUS 20. .

. IT'S NOT THERE. IT'S... NOT... THERE. '

. This kind of thing makes the rounds a lot and could probably use some addressing. Adventists have been skittish about creeds from the very beginning and rightfully so, considering all the persecution that made its way to American shores during the pilgrimage. We're a decidedly independent...