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. Zig, do you think it was ever Christ's intention for the children of Israel to separate themselves from Him for 6 days of the week? I mean, isn't that what the "pillar of cloud by day and pillar of fire by night" thing was all about? Not even while they were asleep did He leave them. It...

. This is some pretty funny stuff considering Big Troll is always prancing around saying that the Seventh-day Adventist "home office" is coming after us when we don't toe the line. I guess when trolling is your thing you can't waste much time making sure you don't commit the "I'm having it both...

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@David in NJ, . If I'm forced to put you on my -ignore- list, then I won't be able to see what you're saying when you're not behaving the way you are now, Dave. ' '

. I'm having some trouble seeing what an English translation has to do with the larger question here, SS. ' '

. This is not personal, believe me, but I'm bewildered by the almost complete general lack of awareness that the apostles and even Christ Himself taught the Gospel from the Holy Scriptures of the Old Testament. The New Testament Scripture, blessed treasure that it is, was given largely because...

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. I don't know this to always be the case at all, Dave. You're being redundantly persistent, and I don't find that edifying at all. Hopefully you're benefitting from it, somehow. ' '

. If I didn't think better of you, I'd believe you had some patent objection to the Bible, SS. All of these look like basically the same question to me. Which I would answer with the question: What if God's ways, which are not our ways, make it impossible to express His will in human language...

. I'm a bit disappointed in the way you're persisting here. It doesn't seem very brotherly. ' '

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. I'm not discussing this here any longer, Dave. At least, not for now. @Brakelite has something else in mind here, and I've derailed that long enough. ' '

. Not at all, SS ' '

. So you keep saying, Dave, but not everyone is buying—already been addressed (link). ' '

. Only one thing in the lower list is said to have the power to create something from nothing, SS. We're pals, so I know you're not going to make me trot out those verses. I'm not at all sure that classing the Bible with commentaries and other things in an understandable effort to avoid...

. Good morning, Brother Dave, The claims you make here have been shown many times to be incorrect and, as this is not a Sabbath relevance debate thread, it might be best if we just call it a day with this line of discussion. ' '

. Forgive me for interloping, SS, but I've worshipped God ignorant of things I should have known about Him for my entire life—not the least of which may yet prove to be your understanding of UR. I still do—to this day. I think it is better than not worshipping Him at all, especially in light...

. The "not peace, but a sword" thing is sometimes unavoidable, to be sure. ' . Inevitable, no doubt, but the devil is the accuser of the brethren. The Holy Spirit guides into all truth and imparts only a healthy and minimally shameful kind of guilt. ' . I am so glad you had that experience. I...

. Which covenant is it that saved those who you claim were the only ones required to keep the 7th-day Sabbath? Just as the rest of abiding in Christ is not literally the same as Heaven itself, it is also not the same as the weekly, biologically necessary rest of the 4th commandment. Those who...

. Absolutely incomprehensible, Mexican Jumping Bean-style theology Now you seem to be saying that the 4th commandment itself was the Old Covenant. And that Christ need not have come to fulfill the law/Sabbath, because He already did so in Genesis 2 "in ALPHA." ' '