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How does it destroy my reasoning when death and hell is never said to be cast alive into the LOF, while the opposite is true of the beast and fp? Come on now, only a living being of some kind can be cast alive into somewhere. That's plain ole' common sense even a 3rd grader should be able to...

Revelation 20 would not be saying saints lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years unless that's what they are doing. You're not making much sense here. And look who Revelation 20:4 has living and reigning for a thousand years. Not someone still alive and not even dead yet. But someone who...

I doubt that you can, but I will ask anyway, convincingly explain (6) and how someone can be priests of God and of Christ, after they are dead, thus while they are in a disembodied state? I'm not saying you can't maybe explain it, I'm saying you can't convincingly do it. But maybe you will prove...

You don't believe me about what? That I wasn't already expecting Revelation 20:14 as an argument? Of course I was. Revelation 20:14 never slipped my mind. I know what it records. And right after I posted that post, I was then thinking to myself (call me a liar if you want if that makes you feel...

No one is saying, and I'm certainly not, that death and hell are tormented in the LOF. Yet something obviously is, otherwise Revelation 20:10 would not be recording what it does. Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast...

Does this mean that you deny that anyone is tormented in the LOF? The verses in question here, are Revelation 19:20 and Revelation 20:10. The former indicates the beast and fp are cast alive into the LOF. The latter indicates they are tormented for ever and ever.

How did I not answer when I provided my opinion, that if something is cast alive into something, this means this something being cast alive, that it is a living being. False religion is not a living being unless you are meaning that it represents living beings. Maybe then I might agree with you.

Guess what? I already expected a response like this. So no surprise here. That aside, what you brought up hardly explains how the fp can get taken, cast into the LOF still alive, then tormented forever. In what way does being alive have to do with false religion? Why bring that up? Why not just...

First of all, I haven't gotten around to reading every post yet. Still working on that. Some of these posts you might be meaning, there is a chance I haven't gotten around to reading it yet.

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. Now you...

If they ever get around to providing the Scripture that shows when and how these in Revelation 20:4---which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands--and then show how it supports Amil, in the meantime it's hard to see...

No one is forcing you to do anything. I don't have a gun to your head. It's all about being transparent, if nothing else. Don't you want to be transparent? If Amil is correct then you should be able to prove with Scripture what Scripture shows how and when these recorded in Revelation 20:4 were...

No one denies, including Premils, that saints have been being martyred since the time of Christ's ascension back into heaven. That's not disputable. What is disputable, is that same past 2000 years meaning the millennium recorded in Revelation 20? If Amils have both the beast and satan in the...

I realize they do. What's in question, where does the millennium fit? Do things recorded in Revelation 20:4, for instance--- which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands--provide any clues as to where it fits...

No, I do not agree that when the 2Ws are prophesying that this parallels the 42 month reign of the beast. Per my view of things the beast is still in the pit during the time of the 2Ws testimonies. Otherwise, it would obviously be making war with them during their testimonies if it had already...

My issue here is mainly with @rwb in this case since I can't grasp what point he is making about disembodied souls living with Christ upon death. As if only the saved live on in a disembodied state upon death but the unsaved don't.

I definitely agree with that since it would be plain silly not to. But even so, what about professed Christians that are still on this side of life, that haven't physically died yet? How can that be applied to every single one of them when not every single one of them will manage to remain saved...

Heaven, obviously. Yet that is beside the point since no soul dies upon physical death including souls of the wicked. Therefore, all souls are alive after physical death, even the souls of the wicked.

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their...

Unless you believe in soul sleep or something, or unless you believe in the death of the soul for some, that upon physical death their soul also dies, even the souls that go to hell upon death, even they are souls with life that are not dead. Therefore, your point is moot and proves absolutely zero.