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    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    When did I ever say Christ is not currently reigning? I agree He is currently reigning, but not like how He will be when He returns to the earth, that being when He sits in the throne of His glory for all upon the earth to behold and to literally see with their own eyes. Likely one of the real...
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    Heavenly Jerusalem

    Yet there is a crystal clear clue that tells us the timing. Revelation 21:9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife. Unless the timing of the...
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    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    Not certain what your point is here, all I know is, I didn't say nor imply Amils did not believe that. What's in question here, do the texts involved agree with what Amils believe here? Are you basically saying this? These saints are martyred after they began living and reigning with Christ a...
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    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    I'm not certain what you are asking me to do here? I'll try to do what you ask once it is clear to me what you are asking me to do. For some reason it's going over my head at the moment.
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    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    In a different thread earlier today which inspired me to make this thread, I made that very same point you raise here. Apparently, I forgot to factor that in, in the OP. But anyway, the following is what I said earlier.
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    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    I didn't forget that. How is that relevant per the OP, though? The OP involves whether or not saints are being martyred during the thousand years. And that we can not ignore what Revelation 20:4 records concerning the following martyrs--which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image...
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    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    I already typed the following up a little bit ago, may as well post it now, then. The following is an example of Scripture interpreting Scripture. and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands(Revelation 20:4)...
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    Heavenly Jerusalem

    If we are living in it now, how does one explain this part---for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea? (Revelation 21:1) I'm not certain what 'sea' means in this context, all I know is, the text indicates there was no more sea. Which then means one...
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    Amil can only be proved to be true if Amils accept all of the following terms and convincingly satisfy these terms.

    These terms are not unreasonable, thus are fair. If Amils are to prove what they allege, that Amil is true, well they can't do that until they first show/prove that saints are being martyred during the thousand years, according to the text of Revelation 20. After all, it doesn't take a rocket...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Amils need to deal with their own nonsense per the following below involving their own view instead of creating new nonsense for Premil that is not even logical to begin with. As if any saints will be being beheaded after Christ has returned. What a bizarre question that was. It's hard to...
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    The Resurrection = the Commencement of the millennium

    It might be like a speed limit sign that is posted. How should one interpret that? Does it mean that you can go any speed you want just as long as it's not the speed posted on the sign? Does it mean that you can go any speed you want up unto the speed posted on the sign? Does it mean you can go...
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    The Resurrection = the Commencement of the millennium

    Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    So Pretribbers want a post trib verse? The following is what initially helped change my mind about the timing of the rapture. For decades my position was that the rapture was Pretrib. That changed when I began reading the following more carefully and then dissecting it, so to speak. 2...
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    The Resurrection = the Commencement of the millennium

    IOW, let's just make those dreaded unbelieving Jews in the first century the sole objects of God's wrath and punishments. Instead of the following applying to professed servants of Christ in the future, let's just make these be meaning those dreaded unbelieving Jews in the past, in the first...
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    The Resurrection = the Commencement of the millennium

    There are numerous reasons why. But one of the main reasons is related to how I interpret some of 2 Peter 3, such as the following. 2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt...
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    The Resurrection = the Commencement of the millennium

    But then we have Jesus being all over the place if that is true. Matthew 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35 Heaven and earth shall...
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    The Resurrection = the Commencement of the millennium

    Some of these other views that like to throw monkey wrenches into something like that because of their doctrinal bias', has any of them ever proved you wrong here? Meaning, have any of them ever found a verse a two elswehere in the NT where anástasis is also used but that it was not referring to...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    Their body stays behind in the ground , assuming they are buried and not cremated, yet that is beside the point, but that their soul ascends to heaven and they rest in heaven until it is time for the last trump. God then brings them with Him, thus the dead in Christ rise first. Per this scenario...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    You do realize that no saint can be in a glorified immortal body until the last trumpet sounds first, right? 1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet...
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    The absurdity of Pretrib logic

    What were you meaning by a spiritual event then?