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  1. Timtofly

    Revelation 11 and Revelation 12

    Revelation is in chronological order. To say otherwise is pointless. Is all the symbolism part of the chronological order? No it is not. The birth of Jesus is not an event that is part of the chronological order. Was Jesus born prior to the Babylonian captivity? Babylon is one of the heads...
  2. Timtofly

    The Rapture and Jewish Weddings

    Then you practically leave out the millions, if not billions, already in Paradise with the tree of life since the Cross. You know all those people who received God's building not made by human hands, but a house for the soul, that is eternal in the heavens. John does not see just those recent...
  3. Timtofly

    Will the Jews build a Third Temple?

    I gave you the context of the "first shall be last and the last shall be first" You called that Scripture gibberish as if I had to quote the whole chapter. Now it is pointless, as you cannot even prove I was wrong. You have offered no reason to state otherwise that the Second Coming, and...
  4. Timtofly

    Will the Jews build a Third Temple?

    Which is symbolism? Souls under the alter, or people waiving palm branches with their hands? "I saw under the altar the souls of them" Or "stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;" You are symbolically a soul under the altar, as...
  5. Timtofly

    Will the Jews build a Third Temple?

    Not really. Just your opinion and interpretation. Paul would contradict 2 Corinthians 5:1 per your opinion and interpretation.
  6. Timtofly

    Will the Jews build a Third Temple?

    Are you willfully ignorant that those in Paradise are not dead, as you say in dead flesh? Does Jesus have a physical body or not? If Jesus is allowed in Paradise with a physical body, why do not the rest of those in Christ? Tell me what you misunderstand about 2 Corinthians 5:1? "For we...
  7. Timtofly

    Will the Jews build a Third Temple?

    Oh really? I asked two questions. I quoted Scripture. Explain the context of these verses, instead of calling them gibberish. I was not asking you those questions, or I would have typed something else. You are the one who stepped into the middle of an ongoing conversation. Why do I...
  8. Timtofly

    Will the Jews build a Third Temple?

    Yet you continue to point out that I am wrong, that they are physically enjoying Paradise, because Jesus is physically enjoying Paradise. You have no Scripture to prove I am wrong. They are conscious because they have a physical body. You are taking the symbolism too literally denying what...
  9. Timtofly

    Will the Jews build a Third Temple?

    That is not a post tribulation passage. That is referring to the 6th Seal. The 6th Seal happens before the 7th Seal. The 7th Seal is opened before the 1st Trumpet. This time of great tribulation you want the Second Coming to be after is the Trumpets and Thunders. However the Second...
  10. Timtofly

    Revelation 11 and Revelation 12

    Where have I posted the entire book is in chronological order? I have posted that John wrote as he saw the events take place, and John wrote them down as they happened. You are literally claiming John jumped around in time and saw the events out of the order they occur in. Then you are saying...
  11. Timtofly

    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    You are missing the point. They could not choose, and experience the second birth, since they had Christ just by being physically born. Any one cut off before the Cross, are waiting in sheol to be grafted back in at the GWT Judgment. They could not experience the second birth after physical...
  12. Timtofly

    Time frames we have to work with

    After 42 months the only people on earth, will be concentrated in the ME. "And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared. And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out...
  13. Timtofly

    Time frames we have to work with

    Not if God is gathering them. You do realize that the east is just across the Euphrates River, not thousands of miles away? They could have been waiting at the river already as the river is even closer than Iran is. Is should only take a few hours from the Euphrates to the valley of Megiddo.
  14. Timtofly

    Time frames we have to work with

    You are missing the point that Jesus is the only Messiah the Prince in the 70 weeks. Jesus was cut off as Messiah and would return as the Prince to come. That is where the mystery was introduced. The fulness of the Gentiles was why Jesus was cut off, and not made Prince. The fulness of the...
  15. Timtofly

    Time frames we have to work with

    No. When the 42 months end, the 2 witnesses are killed. They lay dead in Jerusalem for 3.5 days. If you are referring to Armageddon, that happens later in the day after the 2 witnesses ascend to heaven. The Second Coming already happened at the 6th Seal. There is no time frame ending to let...
  16. Timtofly

    Time frames we have to work with

    Satan's little season after he is released? How do you know when he is released, if there is no time frame offered? Satan is released after Jesus reigns for a thousand years, so why would Jesus who is already reigning need to come to start reigning? If the Second Coming is not as King, why...
  17. Timtofly

    Blind Guides and Deluded Followers

    You don't even allow them to be one group physically enjoying all physical Paradise has to offer where there are no nations nor divisions in that place prepared for Adam's offspring that no one got to enjoy, because Adam was banned from that Garden. They are all up there in that heavenly city...
  18. Timtofly

    The dead in Christ. Per Pretrib, who all are they meaning?

    They already believe me. You are the one claiming they are all in a state of death without a body.
  19. Timtofly

    Will the Jews build a Third Temple?

    Please post Scripture when the Second Coming takes place. Jesus said no one knows the day or hour. So if you post a verse that states, "hey this is the Second Coming", you may be shocked to not find any in Scripture. If the word rapture is not found in Revelation, does that mean it already...
  20. Timtofly

    Will the Jews build a Third Temple?

    It is sad you think those in Paradise are still dead.