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You set the precedence for the possibility of “special cases” when you claimed the church at Sardis is a special case. You’re asking in what way? How should I know, you are the one who has the hermeneutics that allows this. You tell me what the rules are for allowing special cases. I simply...

I’m showing you that by allowing a “special situation” for the church at Sardis you have to also allow for the possibility of special situations elsewhere. I used the millennium as an example of a special situation. Is it not your position that special situations are allowed?

I agreed to disagree on the 70AD coming topic which I see in the church at Sardis coming as a thief warning and you don’t. I gave you the last word on this and I would prefer to leave it at that. I’m not willing to go any farther on this particular topic as I believe you are using compromised...

Let’s say the church at Sardis didn’t watch. The promise that He would come on them as a thief would get fulfilled in the first century. If that happened I would call that fulfillment a type of coming, specifically coming as a thief. Why wouldn’t what happened in 70AD be considered this type of...

So you view the “coming as a thief” warning to Sardis really as being a type of judgement that was possible back then and also possible today, correct? If so then wouldn’t this also qualify as a type of coming that happened in 70AD? What happened in 70AD was a type of judgment, right? Well, I...

I got a chance to look at layered prophecy and I was aware of this I just didn’t know it was called layered prophecy. I’m not a big fan of double fulfillment but I haven’t done enough studying on the subject to really be confident one way or the other. I completely agree with scripture having...

Yea, Peter used the word for trial or temptation <3986>, the same word used in Revelation 3:10, to refer to the Noah flood and Sodom and Gamorraha. These two events are also used in Luke and elsewhere to describe the similarities with the parousia of Christ. The word trial <3986> is used in...

Well the question was about the idea of whether the messages to the churches is relevant to us today. You stated that those messages are relevant. We both know full preterist think there is no future coming of Christ and therefore they are definitely not watching. Now, how can the statement “If...

I came across this idea about the fleeing and I can’t say I support it but maybe it might be useful for someone that wants to take the fleeing in a symbolic or figurative way. The idea is that the Matthew 24 fleeing is describing Mary and Joseph’s fleeing and using it as an example or...

No, I’ve never heard of layered prophecy but I’ll do a search for it on the internet, it sounds interesting. Ok, so how is it possible then that a full preterist, who didn’t watch, and they died but didn’t have Christ come on them as a thief? Wouldn’t the statement from Revelation 3:3 not be...

Yea, I agree there a multiple ways of looking at “this generation” and if we were to assign a probability as to which one is correct, each one would be higher than zero but none would be 100%, at least from our vantage point. I think I know what is meant by “this generation”, which is that it’s...

In 2 Peter 2:9 Peter uses the same word “trial” or “temptation” <3986> in regard to the previous verses. Noah and the flood in vs 5, Sodom and Gamorrha vs 6, and Lot being delivered in vs 7. Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. Luke...

The hour of trial is His coming. If they watched He wouldn’t come on them as a thief but if they didn’t watch He would come as a thief. No, I can’t acknowledge that because of the next verse in Thessalonians. 1 Thessalonians 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should...

Alright, then if the event that the church at Philadelphia was told about was a global event, then why are you saying it had nothing to do with the church at Sardis? All seven churches would have the “hour of trial” event happen to them along with all the world. Now we know that Christ came as...

Ok, so the event “which shall come upon all the world” in Revelation 3:10, did that event happen globally or did it only happen in Philadelphia?

Well, I can’t “prove” something to someone who continually denies, especially when that denial contradicts their own method of interpreting scripture. I have seen you make posts in past where you argue for corroborating a interpretation with other scriptures, but apparently that is no longer...

How about this, Revelation 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Here the church in Philadelphia is kept from something that comes upon all the world...

I conclude that because there was a parousia in the first century. I know you said in post #227 that denying a parousia happening in 70AD causes no problems whatsoever, but here we are with a problem. You have to boldly claim that the “coming as a thief” in Revelation 3:3 is the only place in...

Here are the verses using the term coming as a thief. Revelation 3:3 2 Peter 3:10 Revelation 16:15 1 Thessalonians 5:2,4 Is Revelation 3:3 the only place where Christ coming as a thief is not His parousia?

So Christ coming as a thief is not His parousia? If not then how are you defining “coming as a thief”? 2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth...