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    What is the mystery that Paul references in 1 Corinthians 15:51-52? Is it the rapture (catching up to Christ) as pretrib teaches or something else?

    Well to me it’s obvious that people who are physically alive do get married but people who are physically dead don’t. If “this age” is referring to our current temporal age then I have to conclude that both physically alive and physically dead people are still getting married, up until the...
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    What is the mystery that Paul references in 1 Corinthians 15:51-52? Is it the rapture (catching up to Christ) as pretrib teaches or something else?

    Matthew 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. Luke 20:35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world (age), and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: 36 Neither...
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    What is the mystery that Paul references in 1 Corinthians 15:51-52? Is it the rapture (catching up to Christ) as pretrib teaches or something else?

    I see what you’re getting at but I think it really comes down to more of an opinion than anything else. If the pastor says we will sing a hymn at the end of service, everyone knows it will be during the service before they are excused to go. If the pastor says there will be a pot luck at the...
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    What is the mystery that Paul references in 1 Corinthians 15:51-52? Is it the rapture (catching up to Christ) as pretrib teaches or something else?

    Im all for that, let’s put all past debates behind us, we are brothers in Christ. Ok, I had to read your post several times and thought about it. I think there is a big difference between the translations that might be causing an issue. I know from past conversations you like to use NIV. I...
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    What is the mystery that Paul references in 1 Corinthians 15:51-52? Is it the rapture (catching up to Christ) as pretrib teaches or something else?

    Yes, I did read that. I don’t have an issue equating Matthew 13:24-30 with Matthew 25:31-46. Yes, I completely agree, it’s at the end of the age. Do you agree that the harvest takes place before the age actually ends? Ok, fair enough, even if Revelation 14:14-20 isn’t the same event as Matthew...
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    What is the mystery that Paul references in 1 Corinthians 15:51-52? Is it the rapture (catching up to Christ) as pretrib teaches or something else?

    In Matthew 13:30 the reapers are told to gather first the tares and bind them separate from the wheat and in Matthew 25:32 it says He will separate them one from another. It could make sense to say at the GWT the sheep and goats are separated by Him, then the reapers first bind the tares/goats...
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    What is the mystery that Paul references in 1 Corinthians 15:51-52? Is it the rapture (catching up to Christ) as pretrib teaches or something else?

    1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: In Matthew 13:24-30 is the parable tares. Matthew 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    The Jewish kingdom began at Sinai, when the Shekinah glory dwelt in the Tabernacle and later in Solomon's Temple. This was when the times of the Jews started, time was not based on how old the earth was but based on the reigns of the Jewish leaders at the time. For example 1 Kings 16:8 In the...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    I think we are having a good conversation here, and no you’re not insulting my intelligence. Sometimes I have to be hit over the head a few times before I can see what others are trying to tell me. As for the dead, yea I absolutely see that, I like to use Luke 9:60 let the dead bury their...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    Ok, thanks, I’ve thought about the possibility that the “coming as a thief” could be referring to something that happens to dead people and I can’t find any other references to support that idea. One of the most clear examples of the “coming as a thief” being meant for those who are alive is in...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    @WPM Can I ask you a question? I’m not looking to debate you or cause friction between you and other Amils, I’m just wondering where you stand on a particular issue. The last few days I feel the Spirit leading me away from the Amil position and even deeper into the Preterist position. I feel...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    There is one point I would like to clarify, is watching one of the determining factors as to whether a person is saved or not? Do we have to believe and watch to be saved, not just believe?
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    I’m saying if you accept special cases as a way to fill in an area in your theology that may not be clear, then you have increased the number of unclear areas in your theology. Look at the handyman hermeneutics label. A frequent changing of one’s method of interpretation to patch the holes in...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    I guess I’m trying to accomplish the same thing you were when you posted your nonsense about Sardis being a special case. We’re both showing everyone how ridiculous it is to claim no rule special cases exist in the scriptures.
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    Hmm, so His coming as a thief happens to dead people who have no worldly possessions. I don’t know about that one, I’ll have to think about it.
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    Well 1 Peter 5:8 says Satan walks about as a roaring lion. This is a special case where he was let loose just after the millennium began, but he got put back in. It’s a special case so there are no rules and these things are just there.
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    Maybe I am overthinking this but it still doesn’t make sense. We should definitely put on the whole armor of God and be prepared in that sense, but, as you know, there are some people who don’t watch for a future coming of Christ. I won’t mention their eschatological view, but these people do...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    Based on many of your past posts it appears that you definitely think the amount of scriptural support is extremely important, yet this principle gets abandoned when it comes to the “special case” applied to the church at Sardis. Obviously a special case is not a common case, so even declaring...
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    Paul taught that Revelation 20:4 was a current reality

    I don’t know that last post looks like it does so I’m repeating what I said. So you are agreeing then that the Premill view is entirely possible and it just boils down to what we personally believe? I thought you believed our opinions mean nothing without scriptural support. I was unable to...