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Well,,,they must understand what a PERSON is....! As opposed to a man. Put PERSON in caps when speaking about this subject. And the Trinity has nothing to do with this.... it's about the hypostatic union.....which states JESUS WAS FULLY GOD JESUS WAS FULLY MAN...... And that's all it states...

Very sneaky of you M. I'm rather shocked. Did you explain very well to your class what PERSON means? Jesus was human, which is all the hypostatic union claims..he was MAN. Whether or not He was a PERSON is a different story and it could sound very wrong to someone that cannot distinguish the...

M,,,I know Tim Staples so I looked at his link. I think we have to be careful how we speak. What TS is saying is that Jesus is not a human PERSON. But Jesus is a HUMAN MAN. This is from the article: First of all, I encourage all reading this to also read a previous article of mine called...

Sorry Mathias.... The CC DOES NOT teach that Jesus was not a human person. Did I understand your statement correctly?! The CC teaches the hypostatic union: JESUS WAS 100% HUMAN AND 100% MAN. Yes...100%,,,,not 50/50. Plus, it's terrible to use google for learning anything about the Christian...

I leave you to debate this with the other members. I had done a small study on this a few years ago (more than a few) and it was just too complicated to come to any conclusion. This morning I read some of the ECFs and, once again, I'm unable to make a definite determination. I would ask the...

Quoting and posting something an ECF is not sufficient as a source. You did add who stated what you posted but the SOURCE must provide a link so that the reader could go to the link and read the entire article if they so wish. I did this in my last post to you. That is the correct form.

Tomorrow...too late here. But here's some more....Stephen Meyer - The Discovery Institute https://www.youtube.com/@DrStephenMeyer

It's possible. What I said is that we can't know for sure since even scholars are not sure. Do you believe that EVERY Catholic scholar believes Jesus had no siblings (born in any manner)? Do you believe that every Protestant scholar believes Jesus absolutely had no brothers? The lines are...

Agreed. This is why it's conjecture. I said I admire the study you've put into this. Some verses do seem to imply that Jesus had actual brothers. IS THIS NOT JESUS, THE SON OF THE CARPENTER? AND ARE THESE NOT HIS BROTHERS? If it were cousins....why even mention them?

asoul,,, I commend you. You put a lot of work into this and have made a very complete study. I'm not going to participate because I don't think we can ever really know. Joe Heschmeyer (?) wrote a book about this as have many others. All I want to say is that even some Catholic theologians can...

Agreed. Strong's is an incomplete source....there's just too much to know.

But it means Joseph had a different WIFE before he married Mary. Maybe she had died. Joseph was quite older than Mary was...her age is put at 15 or 16 years of age. Please rethink what it means that Jesus had half brothers... No adultery.

This is funny Wrangler! I didn't have a thesis. I don't know that I ever have when starting a thread. Usually, it's to learn something I feel I don't know enough about... or to get different opinions. It's kind of like when you go to the doctor. To ask intelligent questions, you have to know a...

Typical. And tiring. I give you a verse,,,and you shoot back some back at me. Is it possible to stick to one verse? You're admitting that the verse supports my theology. Fine. Now could you give me back ONE that I could actually address so the discussion could continue? Or do you actually...

Just saw this. I agree.

I wonder how old you are. In the old days a liberal was what you've stated above: someone who will consider other person's opinions and welcomes new ideas. This is no longer what a liberal stands for today. Some real liberals are ashamed of being associated as such these days. Liberals tend to...

I agree. I don't know too much about eschatology, and you mention pre-trib rapture. I don't know if this means you believe in some other kind of rapture.... the early church didn't believe in any rapture. There's no talk of it in any writings but began to appear after the reformation...I think...

OMG It looks so real. He's gone this far? I'm attending a CC right now.... Catholics that know what's going on DO NOT LIKE this Pope. I put nothing past him. Why did you post this? I don't follow along really well....

These are some of my favorite words: GOD IS LOVE. GOD IS MERCY. GOD IS JUST. We can discuss the two sides among ourselves....but I tend not to get into this because I don't see the need to. As I said...I don't think this is a good witnessing method.

No. Not grace vs justice.....I don't mean this to be a theological discussion. Literal vs figurative.....YES! (as @JohnDB also mentioned). Guilt vs redemption....No. Looks like you're on the right path. So: Some take every word literally.... Some don't. Some are creationists with a young...