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  1. Phoneman777

    14 IRRESOLVABLE CONTRADICTIONS WHICH RESULT FROM A LITERAL RICH MAN AND LAZARUS

    Because the work of the Protestant Reformation to undo over 1,000 years of papacy dragging "baptized paganism" into the church - such as Immortal Soul/Eternal Torment doctrine - was unfortunately cut short. The Reformation fought hard for 3 centuries, but in the 19th century when papal...
  2. Phoneman777

    14 IRRESOLVABLE CONTRADICTIONS WHICH RESULT FROM A LITERAL RICH MAN AND LAZARUS

    Be that as it may, these 14 irresolvable contradictions stand as a rebuke the to the entire Christian world who has imbibed "the wine of Babylon" which taught the same old lies that have been since time immemorial: "Thou shalt not SURELY die." "Thou shalt be like God". There's simply no room...
  3. Phoneman777

    14 IRRESOLVABLE CONTRADICTIONS WHICH RESULT FROM A LITERAL RICH MAN AND LAZARUS

    There's too many specific details that eliminate such a broad interpretation, such as "Father Abraham" and Abraham calling the lost Rich Man "son". The parables of Jesus can be divided into two classifications: 1) teachings on the present and future kingdom of God 2) warning against impenitent...
  4. Phoneman777

    14 IRRESOLVABLE CONTRADICTIONS WHICH RESULT FROM A LITERAL RICH MAN AND LAZARUS

    Claiming the Rich Man and Lazarus is a parable no more makes Jesus a liar than claiming Jotham's "talking trees" is a parable makes him a liar. Both stories contain symbolic impossibilities used to get a point across. BTW, you guys have no idea how much help you are to me in my efforts to steer...
  5. Phoneman777

    14 IRRESOLVABLE CONTRADICTIONS WHICH RESULT FROM A LITERAL RICH MAN AND LAZARUS

    I never said "the souls of men do not have recognizable form". If you want to see "the recognizable form of a soul" simply go look in a mirror. You are a soul. I am a soul. A dog is a soul. "Every living soul that was in the sea died" refers to living creatures in the sea. "Soul" simply means...
  6. Phoneman777

    14 IRRESOLVABLE CONTRADICTIONS WHICH RESULT FROM A LITERAL RICH MAN AND LAZARUS

    Since when has truth been popular? In the garden of Eden, Cain and "the wicked one" went after Abel. In Noah's day, the crowd drowned. In Nehemiah's day, the crowd stayed behind in Babylon. In Jesus' day, the crowd shouted, "Crucify Him!" In 70 A.D., the crowd that stayed behind instead of...
  7. Phoneman777

    14 IRRESOLVABLE CONTRADICTIONS WHICH RESULT FROM A LITERAL RICH MAN AND LAZARUS

    You sure about that? I see a distinct lack of textual evidence for such a statement. Meanwhile, here's what the experts say about what you just said: R. F. Weymouth, one of the most authoritative Greek scholars in modern history: “My mind fails to conceive a grosser...
  8. Phoneman777

    14 IRRESOLVABLE CONTRADICTIONS WHICH RESULT FROM A LITERAL RICH MAN AND LAZARUS

    According to Genesis 2:7 KJV, the Living Soul comes into existence as a consequence of the union of the Body and Breath of Life. The below example should suffice to convince even a fool that a whole can't be simultaneously assembled and disassembled - nor can a whole continue to exist as such...
  9. Phoneman777

    14 IRRESOLVABLE CONTRADICTIONS WHICH RESULT FROM A LITERAL RICH MAN AND LAZARUS

    Claiming that the Rich Man and Lazarus story was not real no more makes Jesus a liar than claiming Jotham's story was a parable makes him a liar. Jotham's "talking trees" symbolic imagery is used to make a point that his enemies chose a fool for a leader. Jesus' "consciousness in death"...
  10. Phoneman777

    14 IRRESOLVABLE CONTRADICTIONS WHICH RESULT FROM A LITERAL RICH MAN AND LAZARUS

    Actually, since the Soul comes into existence only as a consequence of the union of the Body andthe Breath of Life, at death, when the Body returns to dust and the Breath of Life to God, the Soul CEASES to exist. It GOES OUT OF existence...until the one or the other of the two resurrections.
  11. Phoneman777

    14 IRRESOLVABLE CONTRADICTIONS WHICH RESULT FROM A LITERAL RICH MAN AND LAZARUS

    Where do you get the idea that a "soul" is "in" a body? According to Genesis 2:7 KJV, the "Soul" comes into existence as a consequence of the union of the Body and the Breath of Life...understand? Body + Breath of Life = Living Soul (Soul commences to exist) Body - Breath of Life = Dead Soul...
  12. Phoneman777

    14 IRRESOLVABLE CONTRADICTIONS WHICH RESULT FROM A LITERAL RICH MAN AND LAZARUS

    Yes, let's ignore the 14 irresolvable contradictions which arise by making the passage literal instead of considering that the reason Jesus used the proper name "Lazarus" in the parable was so that very soon, when the real Lazarus would be raised from the dead 4 days later - AND THE JEWS WOULD...
  13. Phoneman777

    14 IRRESOLVABLE CONTRADICTIONS WHICH RESULT FROM A LITERAL RICH MAN AND LAZARUS

    That's why we have to look beyond the story and employ the only Biblically sanctioned method of study, which is "line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little, there a little" in Isaiah 28. Or, we can shut our eyes, stop or ears, and focus only on this passage in 1 Samuel. Which does God...
  14. Phoneman777

    God's Hatred

    IT WAS YOU who said we're supposed to "hate" aka "hate with total absence of love" our parents...and when I ask you to explain why Jesus says we're supposed to do that while simultaneously commanding us to "love" our pagan Samaritan non-brethren neighbors, you keep dodging the question, my fine...
  15. Phoneman777

    God's Hatred

    Yes, you're "specially chosen" while the rest of us don't even get an invitation - which is exactly what every Luciferian occult society teaches. Congratulations, you're the best player on Lucifer's team.
  16. Phoneman777

    14 IRRESOLVABLE CONTRADICTIONS WHICH RESULT FROM A LITERAL RICH MAN AND LAZARUS

    Yes, that's why is says "and when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard His parables, they perceived that He spoke of them". When they heard Jesus say the Rich Man cried "Father Abraham" and Abraham say "son" - they knew exactly who the Rich Man represented. When they heard Lazarus was...
  17. Phoneman777

    14 IRRESOLVABLE CONTRADICTIONS WHICH RESULT FROM A LITERAL RICH MAN AND LAZARUS

    I think you mean the apparition of "Samuel" - the Bible evidence demands this apparition is nothing more than a demonic "familiar spirit" deception aka "a spirit appearing as a dead person familiar to us". Let's examine the evidence: "Bring me up Samuel...I saw gods ascending out of the earth."...
  18. Phoneman777

    14 IRRESOLVABLE CONTRADICTIONS WHICH RESULT FROM A LITERAL RICH MAN AND LAZARUS

    And we'll count you among those who check their brains at the door when they walk in church. All scholars agree the "certain man that had two sons" is a parable about how God accepts all who repent. All scholars agree the "certain man who had a great supper" is a parable about the Gospel...
  19. Phoneman777

    14 IRRESOLVABLE CONTRADICTIONS WHICH RESULT FROM A LITERAL RICH MAN AND LAZARUS

    The parable was from the perception of Jesus, not the characters in it, right or wrong? Jesus Himself said these dead people - who dropped off mortal bodies in death but are yet to receive immortal resurrection bodies - had eyes, fingers, tongues, bosoms, legs to carry a warning, etc...
  20. Phoneman777

    14 IRRESOLVABLE CONTRADICTIONS WHICH RESULT FROM A LITERAL RICH MAN AND LAZARUS

    BY CORRECTLY CONCLUDING that the story of Rich Man and Lazarus is a parable, we maintain Scriptural harmony, discern a valuable lesson from its interpretation, and put an end to its illegitimate use as a "proof text" for the doctrine of Eternal Torment - because any Bible scholar worth his salt...