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  1. PinSeeker

    Apostle Paul Showed The Rapture Happens With The Future Resurrection

    Not I... If you were to change that to "all the earth's inhabitants who are unbelievers," or "who do not find favor with the LORD," then yes... Seems to me everyone here would say that, but maybe not... Well, God promised that "the waters shall never again become a flood to destroy all flesh"...
  2. PinSeeker

    Apostle Paul Showed The Rapture Happens With The Future Resurrection

    Thank you, Davy. I would disagree with this; they want to preserve their lives (and retain all their possessions as part of that). No one "wants to be taken," but some will be ruined/destroyed ~ their lives brought to nothing ~ as a result of not believing, waiting patiently, and giving up...
  3. PinSeeker

    Apostle Paul Showed The Rapture Happens With The Future Resurrection

    Sure. Do you know how to debate? Or discuss in a civil, congenial way? It seems not... No deflections. You know, respectfully, you seem such an angry person. I hope not... Ah, so disagreeing with you, and giving you reasons why, is "trolling?" Well, okay then, guilty as charged. Hard to...
  4. PinSeeker

    Apostle Paul Showed The Rapture Happens With The Future Resurrection

    Sure, but you misunderstand him. It's inadvertent, I'm sure. No... I certainly didn't say that, nor would I. No, I didn't say that either. Leading up to the flood, unbelievers were... unbelieving. Sigh... Yes, I will certainly continue to reframe your erroneous framing of Jesus's comments...
  5. PinSeeker

    Apostle Paul Showed The Rapture Happens With The Future Resurrection

    Not at all. I just don't (inadvertently) make it into something other than it is, as I said. I didn't say anything was "post-judgment." Here you seem to be putting my comments in a different "setting" than they actually were... No, I'm telling you that you're taking Jesus's comments out of...
  6. PinSeeker

    Apostle Paul Showed The Rapture Happens With The Future Resurrection

    Hmm, I agree in a certain sense. He says "as in the days of Noah," which doesn't really set any kind of "frame" except during the time Noah lived, and Noah lived before, during, and after the flood. So in that sense, I disagree. However, Jesus does provide His own context in making those...
  7. PinSeeker

    Apostle Paul Showed The Rapture Happens With The Future Resurrection

    Sure. Of course. No, He doesn't. When He returns in glory, He will finally and completely claim what was His from the beginning. And it will be a very rapturous event, a seizing/snatching of what is His. And in short order, all will be judged, each according to what he/she has done. As a...
  8. PinSeeker

    Apostle Paul Showed The Rapture Happens With The Future Resurrection

    Okay, well, try again. :) See above. God never promises to remove us from trial or tribulation, but He does promise ~ over and over and over again ~ to be with us through it; His steadfast love endures forever, and He will never leave us or forsake us. We all love Psalm 23, of course...
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    Apostle Paul Showed The Rapture Happens With The Future Resurrection

    Well, I'm certainly not a "postribber," but I'll speak to your "challenge..." :) The different takes on Jesus's statements in Matthew 24:36-44 are... interesting... Let me offer this: "For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. For as in those days before the...
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    They will reign with Him a thousand years and making an unknown Greek out of the English New Testament

    No. Only the ones who are called (by God), will choose Him. Even then, they still can choose either way, but will not fail to choose Him, because they will then, of their own free will and accord, be wholly inclined not to choose... the other "way." It's not a matter of the will, Timtofly...
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    They will reign with Him a thousand years and making an unknown Greek out of the English New Testament

    Nonsense. That's me declaring that God's elect does not include all people, only the ones God has (or will) have mercy/compassion upon; both Moses and Paul quote God as saying, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion." And yes, this is...
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    They will reign with Him a thousand years and making an unknown Greek out of the English New Testament

    "Automatic"... what do you even mean by that, Timtofly? The truth is, if God has purposed it, it will come to be. "God can do all things, and His purposes cannot be thwarted" ~ these are originally Job's words, not mine, in Job 42:2. As Paul says in Romans 11:29, "the gifts and the calling of...
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    They will reign with Him a thousand years and making an unknown Greek out of the English New Testament

    Continued... You are, without realizing it. There is no point of free will to be made, Timtofly. We have it, for sure, but it has nothing to do with this. Any man's inclusion in God's elect depends not on his willing but on God's. Really, there is "coercion" with any choice we make...
  14. PinSeeker

    They will reign with Him a thousand years and making an unknown Greek out of the English New Testament

    Well, you are... Seems to me you're not able to understand your own point ~ or refusing to accept its implications. I'm not applying it at all. There is absolutely nothing in Romans 9 about our freedom to choose anything... or lack thereof. Paul, in Romans 9:16 particularly, doesn't deny...
  15. PinSeeker

    They will reign with Him a thousand years and making an unknown Greek out of the English New Testament

    Well, that's assuredly not my point, but I will say that in our natural condition, with regard to our salvation/redemption, this is true. Fortunately, though, God has this thing called mercy and compassion on those whom He chooses to do so (His elect), and thus does not leave them in that...
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    They will reign with Him a thousand years and making an unknown Greek out of the English New Testament

    It does not say "at that moment," those are your words. Something can be not found either because it was lost (or the seeker is not able to find it) or because it is just not there to be found, and the latter is how it is to be understood. Right, because the latter is not Biblical doctrine...
  17. PinSeeker

    They will reign with Him a thousand years and making an unknown Greek out of the English New Testament

    I believe I've been very clear in saying the first birth is physical... ...and the first death is physical also. You're... not physically dead... If you believe in Christ and have repented of your sin, then you have experienced the first resurrection. Ephesians 2:4-10 and 1 Peter 1:3-5 are...
  18. PinSeeker

    They will reign with Him a thousand years and making an unknown Greek out of the English New Testament

    Ah, so we force His will; His will is not free. I... see... No, Timtofly, we disagree. God changes our nature; we are first dead in our sin and slaves to unrighteousness. He gives us new birth in the Spirit, and then we cannot do any other than to change our own free will to be in alignment...
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    They will reign with Him a thousand years and making an unknown Greek out of the English New Testament

    Yes. He was already a believer, when he died (the first time), so, necessarily, he had been born again of the Spirit. LOL! I don't even know what your "logic" is in asking that question. <chuckes> The spiritual resurrection is not before either. We are all born (of our mother) spiritually...
  20. PinSeeker

    They will reign with Him a thousand years and making an unknown Greek out of the English New Testament

    LOL! It is what it is. One is born again of the Spirit, and raised (resurrected) from death in sin to life in Christ. Grace and peace to you.