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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Right, and the partial hardening now on Israel is removed. All of God's elect. Hmmm. Grace and peace to you, RWB!
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    What Paul is saying here, RWB ~ and you can call this my opinion; that's fine with me ~ is that, similar to anyone else not born again of the Spirit and thus not believing, they would see and or hear from Gentile believers and want for themselves what they have, namely Jesus. So, yes, the hope...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    "Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And in this way all Israel will be saved..." The 'until' there, RWB, says that what has preceded it, the...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    LOL! Oh yeah, I've heard of him; he was quite the character. :) Yes, he had a number of... ideas... :laughing: But I'm sure not all of what he believed was bad or wrong. Right; date-setting was always a bad idea. :) He actually left the Christian Reformed Church back in the 1980s and...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    I know you don't mean to, but you're taking that verse out of context. Amos is talking about Israel's guilt and punishment there. Regarding what we're talking about, though, when ethnic Jews start coming to Jesus in great numbers in a very short time, it will be a good indicator that Satan has...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Right; cool... Yes, agree... I don't see that as a problem, really, but still something left for Jesus to correct, and... He will. :) LOL! Well, that's very imaginative... :) I would say, Grafted Branch, that we cannot know when Satan is loosed, so until Jesus comes back, don't quit...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    If they do, then... they're wrong. :) And therefore "bad Amills." :laughing: There will be animals in on the new earth, David. All of God's creation will be redeemed and made new. "admit"... I mean, okay... :) Good... Yeah that's actually an excellent point. When God finished His...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Well, this much is true. Jesus is "spoiling" Satan's house, in that He's making what once was Satan's ~ in the sense that He tells some Jews in John 8 that they are of their father the devil (John 8:44) ~ into His. Okay, agree, at least sort of, in the sense of what I said immediately above...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    The way you worded that seemed ambiguous to me. Good; no worries. Yeah just this wording is confusing to me. Again, no worries, it just seems much, much clearer to say, His reign in heaven ~ His millennial reign ~ will end with the millennium, and then after Satan's little season and then the...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Sure. That's... what I said... Marty, are you saying that the millennial reign, it is Satan who is reigning? Surely not... Okay, so I think ~ or at least I hope, because I would agree ~ that Christ's millennial reign ends "at the end of our world," which is really to say when He returns...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Glorious, is it not? :) Absolutely. Gifted Branch, Jesus is speaking of plundering Satan's house, meaning, He is taking what is His, those given to Him by the Father (John 10), those Whom Satan thought were his. "Spoil his house"...? I don't even know what you mean by that. No, it's not...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    It's... not the power of the Gospel that binds Satan. I mean, not to sound offensive, but I've heard a lot in my day, and I don't think I've ever heard anything from anybody proposing that it's the power of the Gospel that binds Satan. I would point out ~ again ~ what Jesus says in Matthew...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Okay, I'm not sure if this post presents the "unsolved problems" that Grafted Branch was speaking of above, but I'm going to speak to this anyway, if you don't mind. Okay, well, I would submit that it can't really be otherwise. Well, yes, except I might change the wording of "until He decides...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    It's not a matter of "salvation ending," really, it's just that at that time, God will have brought all His elect ~ Jew and Gentile, people of every tongue, tribe and nation ~ into His Israel, as I have said. I would like to know what other "problems" you or anyone else thinks it creates or...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Hmmm... The thousand year thousand year (millennial) reign of Christ and the thousand year (millennial) binding of Satan, during which he is not able to keep the Gospel from being spread to all nations (tongues, tribes, and nations) starts ~ started ~ at the same time... about two millennia ago...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    The sea is symbolic of evil and trouble and sin. Remember, the beast comes up out of the sea (Revelation 13:1). There will be no more sin, and... I quote Isaiah 35 often because I love it so much... "everlasting joy shall be upon (our) heads; (we) shall obtain gladness and joy, and sorrow and...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    No problem. I mean, yeah, not every Amill knows everything... like... I do... :Broadly: I'm... kidding. :cool: Somewhat. :) Well of course. I would actually say long after Christ was born... :) I would say this about Zechariah 14... Probably going a little further than you bargained...
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    Teachings By The Asps That Hide Here

    No, because the millennium does not follow Christ's return ~ more specifically to you and several others here, the events of Revelation 20:1-6 do not occur after the events of Revelation 19:11-21; insistence that they do merely because chapter 20 follows chapter 19 in Revelation is what causes...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    Hmm, I think your premise here is... generally untrue. :) Certainly for me it is; it seems that would be obvious to you from my last post to you. If you would apply what you say here to me, well then I would submit to you, David, that you haven't read many of my posts on this subject, if...
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    Paul claimed 3 times that Rev 20:4 was a current reality.

    No "Amill" worth his/her salt would even hint at such a thing. The Bible is one Story, not two. I've heard it said ~ and said myself ~ that the one page you can rip out of your Bible is the blank one between the Old Testament and the New. :) I'm not sure I would state it exactly that way...