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    the Great Tribulation

    Sure, look at Genesis 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: Now look at Jeremiah 31:35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the...
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    the Great Tribulation

    The Revelation 7 multitude comes out of, or is a result of, the fall of Israel as seen in Romans 11. I’m not trying to say that the vision John saw in Revelation 7 was a depiction of heaven in the year 70AD. The text doesn’t say the multitude was martyred it says the came out of great...
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    the Great Tribulation

    Alright, then if that is true we know we can’t trust any scripture that declares an amount of time. You can’t have a 3.5 year period declared and then change it. That idea is described in Daniel 7:25 and think to change times and laws.
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    the Great Tribulation

    So do you think this last, 70th week, is shortened?
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    the Great Tribulation

    What about Revelation 12:7 where Michael fights the dragon, when does that take place? If you have Michael standing up after a future great tribulation then you’ll have to have Michael fighting the dragon while in the seated/not standing position or else you have to place the Revelation 12:7 war...
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    the Great Tribulation

    So are we, believers, currently experiencing the great tribulation?
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    the Great Tribulation

    Ok, thanks for your thoughts on that. It seems to me that there are problems with saying “Michael arises” is a single event in both Daniel 12 and Revelation 12, but there are also problems with claiming Michael didn’t arise or take a stand when he fights the dragon. I was thinking that the...
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    the Great Tribulation

    Alright, you are really saying then that the tribulation is great only in length of time and not necessarily the total number of Jews that make it through the tribulation. Let me ask you this, Israel was blind in part until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. Couldn’t the great tribulation...
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    the Great Tribulation

    Is it the last week of the 70 weeks that is shortened? If so then we have prophecy that is inaccurate. Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring...
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    the Great Tribulation

    Also, in 1 Peter 3:20 it says “while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water”. If the great tribulation is a physical, world wide event that “hasn’t happened from the beginning of nations until then”, then wouldn’t it result in less than eight souls surviving?
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    the Great Tribulation

    Do you think when Michael arises it is also the time when Michael fights the dragon in Revelation 12:7? Daniel 12:1 says at that time Michael will arise, so if Revelation 12:7 happens after the book of Daniel was written but before Michael arises in Daniel 12:1 then Michael doesn’t arise when...
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    Time frames we have to work with

    Yes, I believe Satan was controlling or ruling during Jesus’s ministry. John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of...
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    Time frames we have to work with

    Yes, I believe the beast is cast into the lake of fire the day Jesus returns. The 42 month reign of the beast ends at the cross, after that Satan is transformed into an angel of light which is depicted as the second beast with two horns like a lamb but speaks as a dragon. It is possible that...
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    Time frames we have to work with

    Yea, I think the coming in Revelation 19 is the same event that takes place at the end of Satans little season in Revelation 20. Notice that Revelation 20:10 has the word “are” added in the KJV. ESV has “were”, which can dramatically change how to understand the verse. Ultimately if we just...
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    Time frames we have to work with

    I know some people will say the 42 months is Satans little season, but I don’t think so. I think the 42 months the beast rules was the time prior to the cross, I think the Jews were ruled by the beast else they wouldn’t have killed their Messiah.
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    Time frames we have to work with

    I think the seventy weeks are finished, with no gaps in between any of the weeks.
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    Time frames we have to work with

    I guess it depends on what you think something being fulfilled looks like. Some people have to have the literal waters on earth turning to literal blood before they are going to admit the second bowl of wrath is fulfilled, as an example. When looking at past fulfillments, Jesus himself didn’t...
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    Time frames we have to work with

    None of them, Satans little season ends when Christ returns but exactly how long that little season lasts isn’t known.
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    Time frames we have to work with

    Revelation 8:1 silence in heaven for about the space of half an hour. Revelation 17:12 receive power as kings one hour with the beast. There is also eternity, which isn’t a period of time that ends. So certain things that are eternal can’t end. For example the Daniel 9:24 everlasting...
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    A Great Conservative Study Bible using the ESV that is ANTI-dispensational

    The OG I quoted was from a different website but I like the one you have linked, it gives a side by side. Very good.