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I have been clear that I agree with that in general, assuming things continue from there to full Body life. The point of the topic is to examine Body life as being more than initial conversion. A concept you seem incapable of grasping. How can a person be a part of the Body if they aren't a...

https://www.christianityboard.com/threads/what-makes-a-doctrine-false.55281/ What makes a doctrine false? Please quote what you would like to respond to. Thanks. 1. You've never heard it before. (knee-jerk defensive response) 2. You have heard of it before, but assume it's false. (haven't...

Not engrafted stuff. Being in the vine provides fruit. Not wood, hay and straw. [

LOL What did you think my point was? Once again you prove that you do not understand. You were claiming that those who are not active body parts were never a part of the Body of Christ. (unsaved, by your definition) The scripture I posted says the opposite. [

Do you have an active part in the Body of Christ? [

Again, you are conflating (combining) conversion and being an active part in the Body of Christ. A new believer does not instantly operate as an active part of the Body of Christ. And some believers may never find an active part in the Body of Christ. Is salvation by grace, or by being an...

What do you make of this? Especially verses 14-15. 1 Corinthians 3:11-15 NIV For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13 their work will be shown for...

It is no surprise that the church is called the Body of Christ. A body is made up of many working parts that are in concert to do the work of the church. The members of the Body of Christ each find their own role in the body. 1 Corinthians 12:12 NIV Just as a body, though one, has many...

Contrarians don't make my favorites list. So, you understand that the Body of Christ is composed of body parts? And any believer that is not doing their part is not really a part of the Body of Christ? If you don't understand that, you haven't understood me. [

I have observed that there are a handful of individuals on the forum with the mental capacity to engage in subjects of discussion that are challenging to consider. And then there is everyone else. [

Despite all my effort, I seem to have failed to communicate what I am trying to say with this topic. [ cc: @Lambano

I looked you up in the appendix, and you were the only one there. I thought it might be a case of abandonment. - LOL [

- Can a believer fail to allow Christ to minister through them? Yes. - Can a believer who has failed to allow Christ to minister through them lose their salvation? I would say, No. - Can a believer fail to find their place (as a body part) in the Body of Christ? Yes. - Can a believer who has...

That is what I am trying to say here. But most respondents are unable to view the Body of Christ and salvation separately. [

Did your church have an appendectomy? [

St. SteVen said: Half a dozen posts and you still have no idea what I am talking about. A believer becomes a part of the Body of Christ when they begin to actively participate as a body part. Nothing to do with salvation. Believer = relationship with God (conversion -...

Half a dozen posts and you still have no idea what I am talking about. A believer becomes a part of the Body of Christ when they begin to actively participate as a body part. Nothing to do with salvation. Believer = relationship with God (conversion - repentance - spiritual growth) Grafted in...

Are you then saying that active participation (Body life) is the litmus test for salvation? (I hope not) If so, that would be works, not grace. Right? I'm not questioning the salvation of non-active believers. What I am questioning is whether they qualify as being a part of the Body of Christ...

I agree. That's the way it is SUPPOSED to work. I question whether it always does. Consider this. You indicated a progression. Active participation (Body life) is at the end of the progression. Believer > grafted in > active participation But what happens if the progression is short-circuited...

St. SteVen said: Sure. But again, that is what should happen. But a reading of John chapter fifteen reveals that this is not always the case. Some who are grafted-in produce no fruit. These branches are then removed. (whatever that means) Even fruit-bearing branches are...