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  1. St. SteVen

    At what point does a believer join the Body of Christ?

    Sure. But again, that is what should happen. But a reading of John chapter fifteen reveals that this is not always the case. Some who are grafted-in produce no fruit. These branches are then removed. (whatever that means) Even fruit-bearing branches are pruned, to produce MORE fruit. A real...
  2. St. SteVen

    At what point does a believer join the Body of Christ?

    We can agree that this SHOULD happen at conversion. Unfortunately, too many view conversion as the end goal rather than the starting point. IMHO [
  3. St. SteVen

    At what point does a believer join the Body of Christ?

    Agree. Your comments remind me of of the Vine and the Branches in John chapter fifteen. Which should be a sobering reminder to body parts that have "poor" circulation. (John 15:6) [
  4. St. SteVen

    The PARODY collection #1

    --- PARODY --- Believer #1: Here's what I believe... Believer #2: I completely reject you. Believer #1: Say what? Believer #2: Your beliefs violate who I am. Believer #1: Maybe you shouldn't take your beliefs so personally. Believer #2: They are my personal beliefs. Believer #1: That's fine...
  5. St. SteVen

    Can you separate yourself from your doctrines? - Who are you really?

    Therein lies the problem. From my perspective, it's a divisive stance. --- PARODY --- Believer #1: Here's what I believe... Believer #2: I completely reject you. Believer #1: Say what? Believer #2: Your beliefs violate who I am. Believer #1: Maybe you shouldn't take your beliefs so...
  6. St. SteVen

    Can you separate yourself from your doctrines? - Who are you really?

    The questions are: - How do you react when someone disagrees with your beliefs? - How do you feel about others with differing beliefs? [
  7. St. SteVen

    Can you separate yourself from your doctrines? - Who are you really?

    From the OP: A key indicator: You are personally offended when anyone disagrees with your doctrine. What defines you? Who are you really? Can you separate yourself from your doctrines? ]
  8. St. SteVen

    At what point does a believer join the Body of Christ?

    @Ezra and @ScottA Most respondents to this question want to conflate salvation with being part of the Body of Christ. I am trying to separate the two issues to examine them separately. While I agree in principle that a new believer becomes, or should become, a part of the Body of Christ...
  9. St. SteVen

    The Best Revenge?

    Update. I have made an effort to reach out to this person. We don't work together, but I see her in passing at work. My friendly greetings seemed a little awkward at first, but I have continued. Now she has loosened up and returns the greetings in a genuine way. "How are you?", instead of...
  10. St. SteVen

    "Christians don't know what they believe." - until they are brainwashed

    Did you read the OP? (post #1) In the video, John MacArthur is lamenting the sorry state of Evangelicalism in 2022. He makes this ridiculous claim. "Evangelicals have absolutely no idea what they believe." - John MacArthur [
  11. St. SteVen

    "Christians don't know what they believe." - until they are brainwashed

    Liquor sales are now allowed on Sunday in my state. Prior to that we had the Blue Sunday law. Jack Daniels whiskey is made in a dry county. No retail alcohol sales or consumption allowed there. These laws were a "gift" from Christianity to non-Christians. What was the basis of these laws? In...
  12. St. SteVen

    What does the hell doctrine say about the character of God?

    Who created hell? And for what purpose? You seem to want to separate hell from God. As if he had nothing to do with it. Thus whitewashing hell. [
  13. St. SteVen

    Should sin triumph over grace in the end?

    I was asked recently about my personal belief that "all" people will be saved. An example was cited of some horrible cruelties that had been delivered mercilessly upon an individual, resulting in their death. The example, it seems, was given to prove that God could never forgive such a...
  14. St. SteVen

    "Christians don't know what they believe." - until they are brainwashed

    Here's the scripture in question. 1 Corinthians 11:20-21 NIV So then, when you come together, it is not the Lord’s Supper you eat, 21 for when you are eating, some of you go ahead with your own private suppers. As a result, one person remains hungry and another gets drunk. [
  15. St. SteVen

    What does the hell doctrine say about the character of God?

    And "a lot" is right. A lot of hurting people. This is the tragedy of the church. Those who have been marginalized because they didn't meet up to the standard of the church. Rather than find ways to minister to these hurting souls, they were jettisoned back into the world to fend for...
  16. St. SteVen

    "Christians don't know what they believe." - until they are brainwashed

    I had to snicker at my Pastor this morning. God bless him. (I love the guy) He is against alcohol consumption. It's actually a denomination rule. (for Pastors) Anyway, he was explaining some of the problems with the Corinthian church. Like the Lord's Supper was being maligned because some were...
  17. St. SteVen

    "Christians don't know what they believe." - until they are brainwashed

    No worries. I thought this was pretty entertaining. - LOL Say what? [
  18. St. SteVen

    What does the hell doctrine say about the character of God?

    St. SteVen said: What does the hell doctrine say about the character of God? Agree. Although the church has used fear tactics to control those people. And few have had the character or courage to stand against it. Many atheists have come out of the church. A quality...