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    The dead in Christ. Per Pretrib, who all are they meaning?

    @Zao is life I typed the following up earlier. Haven't read your last post to me yet. I will do that here shortly. In my mind I feel I'm holding the trump card. What Gill said below reinforces it for me. Came across this this morning. Commentators are not my cup of tea, yet this little bit...
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    The Day the Politics Died

    One thing Trump is noted for is that he has small hands, thus short fingers. The one in the courtroom that is supposed to be him, there were a few shots where his hands were in view. Nothing small about those hands. Usually I don't pay attention to things like that. Yet I couldn't help notice...
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    Time frames we have to work with

    If it wasn't for this part in Daniel 9:27 below, you and I wouldn't even be having this discussion to begin with. We would be in full agreement about everything you just said. and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined...
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    THE 6TH TRUMPET ONLY REPRESENTS "GREAT TRIB" TIME

    Is your position basically the following then? 1st seal followed by first trumpet followed by 1st vial Followed by 2nd seal followed by 2nd trumpet followed by 2nd vial So on and so on. No need for me to go through all 7 of these scenarios. It's pretty obvious what I'm asking here. Let's...
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    Why are some interpreters not being honest with the text involving Daniel 9:27?

    Maybe 'strengthen' fits the context better than 'confirm'? And if so I don't see it making sense of the text that the AC strengthens the covenant with many for one week. Something else we need to factor in here, assuming 'confirm' might fit better instead. The text says this---And he shall...
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    Time frames we have to work with

    Unless I'm misunderstanding your point here, based on what you said here this sounds like something I might argue, where I then end up concluding the entire 70 weeks have not finished yet. What I would be interested in knowing, based on what you said here, what is this leading you to conclude...
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    Time frames we have to work with

    Per your thinking, not per my thinking since I'm a Premil and you are not, why can't satan's little season simply be meaning any of these time periods @Douggg submitted in the OP? Problem then solved, in your case anyway. Is it because it would conflict with your Preterist mindset you have...
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    Time frames we have to work with

    ------------------------ 1 week (7 years) - Daniel 9:27 ------------------------ Lately I'm not certain whether the entire 70th week is future or just the final half. What I am certain about is this, though. Following the end of the 70th week that is when we will see the bodily return of Christ...
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    Why are some interpreters not being honest with the text involving Daniel 9:27?

    Until recently my position has basically been the same as yours except I was no longer applying anything in the literal sense pertaining to verse 27. Like you, I too took verse 27 to be future, all of it, and that I was having the AC being the one that fulfills the entire week, just not in a...
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    Why are some interpreters not being honest with the text involving Daniel 9:27?

    IMO, since you are participating in this thread you need to make it crystal clear to the rest of us what your view is. Right now I am unable to make heads or tails as to what your view is. So that way we can know what you are arguing 'for' and what you are arguing 'against'. I'm mainly...
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    The dead in Christ. Per Pretrib, who all are they meaning?

    Post # 20 is where I basically prove my point since Daniel 12:13 tells us exactly when OT saints initially rise from the dead. Daniel 12:13 But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days Per Pretrib, the fact they have the rapture prior...
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    Why are some interpreters not being honest with the text involving Daniel 9:27?

    Per this scenario since it would be involving a rebuilt temple in the future, what does the Holy Place have to do with that? How could a rebuilt temple in the future possibly involve a Holy Place? That would be like saying after Jesus died and rose, and before the 2nd temple was destroyed, the...
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    Why are some interpreters not being honest with the text involving Daniel 9:27?

    It seems we already agree that the prince to come is meaning the AC. But that doesn't have to mean that the one that causes the sacrificing of animals to cease has to be meaning the AC. Granted, for a very long time I too used to take the one meant in the middle of the week to be meaning the AC...
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    Why are some interpreters not being honest with the text involving Daniel 9:27?

    LOL. Where have you been in this thread? Out to lunch or something? What does this have to do with Premil when there is at least one Amil in this thread that also places the 70th week in the future but takes it to be involving literal days, 490 days not 490 years? Why then, if you were to be...
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    Why are some interpreters not being honest with the text involving Daniel 9:27?

    Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26 And after...
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    Why are some interpreters not being honest with the text involving Daniel 9:27?

    Even though I'm Premil, yet unlike typical Premils that don't agree that the 2nd coming is when the NHNE begin, I OTOH agree with Amils in this case, that it does. Right or wrong, at least it can fit my view. It can even fit your view except you seem unable or unwilling to interpret the 70 weeks...
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    Why are some interpreters not being honest with the text involving Daniel 9:27?

    Assuming you are correct, why would the text list that last when it is the very first thing a view such as yours has being accomplished? You have that accomplished first, something last on the to do list, meaning there are still 5 more things to accomplish if that is accomplished first...
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    Why are some interpreters not being honest with the text involving Daniel 9:27?

    That might be explained by doctrinal bias, which apparently only applies to someone such as you and me, but not them as well.
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    Why are some interpreters not being honest with the text involving Daniel 9:27?

    Speaking of everlasting righteousness, well we have this recorded in the OT, yet what Daniel 9:24 is pertaining is something that is not brought in until 70 weeks are accomplished first. Psalms 119:142 ¶Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth. Right back at...
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    Why are some interpreters not being honest with the text involving Daniel 9:27?

    As to this, who knows, but maybe 21 years is meant? Back in those days some of those people could do some pretty extrordinary things at times. Take what Ezekiel did per the following, for example. Ezekiel 4:4 Lie thou also upon thy left side, and lay the iniquity of the house of Israel upon...