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What is the logic in verse 27 being the 70th week then nothing in that verse even showing how the 70th week ends? It can't be this part below if some of you insist is meaning after the entire 70 weeks already expired decades earlier. and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it...

My thinking is this. There has to be starting point involving these desolations. Thus a gap leading up to when the time involving them begins. What are your thoughts on that, meaning a starting point involving these desolations, lets say in relation to the first 69 weeks? IOW, 69 weeks are...

And some people dispute the 'are' that the translators added to the text. As if it makes sense of the text if it were to say this instead--- And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet, and shall be tormented day and night...

Who do you think pertaining to those posting in this thread that reject a gap in the 70 weeks are open about any of these things? All I see are closed minded people, not someone that might be open to the idea that they might be wrong about some of these things.

I was mainly just showing who I felt the prince to come in Daniel 9:26 was meaning. Of course that includes verse 11 since it is obviously connected to verse 10. I don't know why some interpreters insist they always interpret Scripture with Scripture when I'm not seeing any evidence of that when...

Jay, where exactly do you see the thousand years fitting within Revelation 12? Speaking for myself, the only place I can see it fitting is at the end of what verse 17 is involving. Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed...

Let's look at it from this angle then. Let's assume the prince in verse 26 is meaning Christ. And let's assume 70 AD is meant. Already there is a problem with this interpretation, where I can show the issue per the following. John 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not...

And what about what I argued over all? Why isn't that relevant, regardless?

If you are going to quote something I said, quote it in context, since you are not being honest by quoting it like you just did, then calling me a liar on top of that. It gives the wrong impression that I don't think anyone is being objective about anything period, no matter what it might...

I don't dispute that some translations might render it that way. I was referring to the one I was using in particular, that it at least showed that these particular translators didn't take both the prince in verse 25 and the prince in verse 26 to be one and the same, for the reasons I argued.

Including what I just posted in #49 doesn't manage to do that either, right? As if 'destroy' in Daniel 9:26 can only mean in the literal sense involving literal buildings, etc.

Sometimes I just wonder what is the point, why I even bother making threads like this one? Can't even get anyone on the same page with me. No one wants to be objective about anything that might support that there is a gap somewhere in the 70 weeks. For example. Everyone wants to understand the...

KJV Daniel 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26 And after...

And guess what you are saying here since pretty much all Premils disagree that the sheep and goats judgment and the GWTJ, that these are the same judgment? That pretty much all Premils are far outside orthodox (generally accepted) Christian thought on that. Pretty much all Premils agree the...

Clearly it is not, therefore, I agree. Nor is it about atheists, witches, satanists, unbelieving Jews, so on and so on. How anyone can think the sheep and goats judgment and the great white throne judgment, that these are the same judgment, is beyond me? Matthew 25:44 Then shall they also...

If you at least agree that some of that has been accomplished, just not all of it, that might mean you and I are on the same page to some degree. That aside. One thing in particular that makes it crystal clear per the verse you submitted, that the entire 70 weeks haven't been fulfilled yet, is...

Trust me, I understand where you are coming from because that too has been my position for decades now. But lately I am rethinking things, and since it's undeniable to me that there has to be a gap somewhere, I'm beginning to think it might be in the middle of the week instead. Understanding it...

Unlike me you are usually very thorough at addressing what someone has posted. I admire and respect that about you. Wish I could do the same. But it is what it is, in my case. And since you are usually very thorough, it then makes me wonder why you didn't bother addressing the following, a very...

If the idea is to interpret something correctly, can't see one doing that unless they are honest with the text first, regardless what text it might be involving. Surely you at least agree with that. Actually, everyone should at least agree with that no matter who they are. Daniel 9:27 And he...

For one thing you end up with bizarre math that way that no mathematician would find acceptable. 70 x 7 = 490. 69.5 x 7 does not equal 490, it equals 487.5. Which then does not equal this---70 weeks are determined. Only 490 = 70 weeks. 487.5 certainly doesn't = 70 weeks.