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@kepha31 But what you call 'church' and what men have turned it into, did not exist in Pauls day....He was subject to Christ and Christ alone, but in service to others... Just as Christ had informed them to do....Jesus is the Head of the true Church and therefore the only one any of us should be...

Wow, how many times do I have to agree with you on this lol....

Hi there James.....Give it time....anyone on the forum can verify that I too had endless problems at first, but I'm getting there lol....My software also tried to prevent me from coming on to the forum, so at first I used the 'allow temporarily' button every single time I came on, but a friend...

A big Amen to that !

@Dcopymope A lot of good things in that post......I was shown that in regard to that verse you quoted from Genesis, it is to be understood in the same way as when a human gives birth to a child, and then whether anything is wrong or not ( with the child ) one can easily look at that defenseless...

As I already said, I do agree, but I hope you can see that without the other things He did, it would not have been the same ?

As with all other things God created, which became our world, our reality.....What Jesus did/does had/has a beginning a middle and and end....Also one was for the physical the other for the spiritual.....Thus one without the other would have left us all adrift still.. All that lead up to and...

Equally important....What He did directly after and what He keeps doing till this day..

Meanwhile a lot of 'christians' and others feel fully justified in judging and condemning these people, even though they have not lived in that persons life, nor walked in their shoes for even one hour........"Beware, lest you too will be judged"....."With the measure you meet out, the same will...

Hello there :)....Welcome and may you find what you hope for and hopefully be blessed in the process..

@amadeus ...Hi :).....I would love to have a much deeper conversation with you about this, as it's not a 'quick fix' piece of understanding nor would I write it here....For one thing, it would be far too long...secondly, it's outside the institution of church and into the reality of God...

Does it not say that John saw the Holy spirit descending like a dove and rested on Him, then the Father spoke and immediately The Spirit drove Him ( Jesus ) into the wilderness ( so still with Him )....We later find out that the Holy spirit is why Jesus can have such direct contact with the...

@Dcopymope No I certainly do not believe that God makes mistakes......But we sure do, ALL the time.....As far as the other goes, I have believed since the beginning of this, that WE, not God are the ones who choose....His choice would be for all to be saved, but we choose whether we allow that...

Please send a little our way lol

But it seems , not everyone chooses Him, therefore leaving themselves out.....Not because our Father wants it to be so....Agreed ?

I am so glad :)...thank you for clarifying..

@amadeus Yes, I have read quite a few accounts in the O.T. in relation to what they perceived as darkness and evil, and attributing much to God, as they as yet had no understanding of spirit......The above merely makes me think, that of course God knows what darkness is, but He certainly is not...

I apologize....It would have been better to say 'To be fully protected' not hiding...sorry my focus was on the fact that some thought a building alone could save them, or 'hide' them...

We need revelation as to what The Holy Spirits role was in 'coming upon her'( Mary ), but if He had entered and stayed then, there would have been no reason for Jesus to receive Him at His baptism. Without understanding of this new creation, there would not be much point trying to get all those...

Purgatory ? What's your basis for that idea Marty ?