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    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    The difference though is that now as believers we do have an Advocate and if we sin we have the opportunity as well as desire to repent and be forgiven. But we certainly are not to abuse this grace and liberty we have by being insincere and using it as a cloak for sin. God is not mocked. I...
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    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    There seems to be an aspect of growth (gradual) involved with both states though...? As you mentioned having experienced ES now you need to learn to remain in that state and also to do warfare? I don't think the idea of gradual sanctification (growth) rules out ES/baptism. (Having not...
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    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    I have pondered that scripture quite a bit. Paul also says, "For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror...." That seems like a general statement that applies to everyone in the church including himself. I just don't know which way to take it. Was that your experience? Did you feel you...
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    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    Amen, I do believe that is part of the battle, to learn to walk in the truth of what we have already become essentially.....the new man. As a man thinks, so is he. We are partly blind to it until then, or at least at times. The veil of flesh and carnal mind gets in the way.
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    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    Amen. I think of justification as meaning exoneration. And if grace weren't grace we wouldn't have been admonished in scripture to not use it as a license or cloak for sin.
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    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    Such a good point brother, if even the early church leaders couldn't all agree on this. Just like our sister Hepzibah and Episkopos have testified of a walk in the Spirit but they each have areas where they understand this differently. It signals to me that we haven't gotten to the bottom of...
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    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    Amen...I agree with this wisdom brother.....God could just take all our problems away in an instant and He gives us tastes of this, but it is like the Israelites when God said they would conquer the land little by little....lest it be overrun by wild beasts of fallen human nature, pride, self...
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    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    ok, thanks for your response. Amen...think we will all be learning until we leave this life, as we only know in part. One thing I wonder about is whether it is possible for sin to be literally removed from us in this life or whether we are being exhorted to deny it while we walk ABOVE it. I...
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    The Way/Theosis/entire sanctification.

    Glad you got that sorted, sister. :) Technology seems to me to be just as much of a nuisance as it is helpful. I think the church has been embattled since its inception, even when great grace was still upon it. Paul was always having to battle and counter things that were creeping into it...
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    The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

    Yes I agree the disciples did not understand the kingdom of God until later...Jesus' answer kind of covered both bases I believe. I believe Israel figures into some end time events, but I won't get into that right now. The thing is Israel is God's business, not the church's.....and to be...
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    The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

    No, we believing Gentiles have been grafted into the same tree as unnatural branches....and that is what it means where it mentions the "commonwealth of Israel", because it includes the nations (who believe). The wall of separation has been torn down....we are all one.
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    The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

    Yes the kingdom of God would come spiritually. But I believe because the nation of Israel had lost her sovereignty (and soon even the Land itself) the disciples were expecting that she would be restored as a sovereign self-governing nation at some point....but that is not the kingdom of heaven...
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    The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

    That's bible, marks. 1Co 10:18 Behold Israel after the flesh: are not they which eat of the sacrifices partakers of the altar? Why did Paul use that term for the nation of Israel? Because it was necessary to distinguish it from the Israel of God, the church (Israel after the spirit). Gal...
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    Trump ~ guilty

    Just watch and see if those kinds of sentiments arise in the next few years, and guard against it.
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    The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

    The bible speaks of both "Israel after the flesh" and "the Israel of God". The church is the Israel of God. Israel after the flesh refers to the nation of Israel and Jewish people in general.
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    The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

    The kingdom was restored to Israel when they became a sovereign nation again in 1948. That question is not talking about the kingdom of God/Christ. Israel was under Roman rule at the time they asked that......and later of course the Jews were even ejected from Israel in 70AD. The twelve...
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    Trump ~ guilty

    Oh dear...it dawned on me why the Israelites wanted a king (Saul).....they wanted to be protected by the king and his army from the heathen around them. Not trusting in God. I suspect many might be about ready to make Trump the legal head and defender of their church, like the pope or monarch...
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    The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

    Amen...gathered like sheep to the their true Shepherd and His gospel.
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    The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

    No, not a single day, it is talking about a long period of time of longsuffering and grace, giving mankind time/opportunity to find the Lord and be saved. Heb 3:13-15 but exhort one another daily, while it is called “Today,” lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. For...
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    The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

    Brother Jesus warned us not to be deceived by those who are looking for an earthly kingdom that is seen with physical eyes....lo here it is, or there it is. Beware, because that is going to deceive and trip people up in the end, both Jew and Gentile. The kingdom is within/among us....we are...