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  1. St. SteVen

    What is the initial evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit?

    I just wanted to see where you were coming from. Do you believe that unbaptized believers are not saved? [
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    What is the difference between the indwelling Spirit and the Baptism with the Holy Spirit?

    Fair enough. How is that indwelling received? And what is the evidence? [
  3. St. SteVen

    What is the initial evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit?

    Not really a strong case. Do you support infant baptism too? [
  4. St. SteVen

    What is the initial evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit?

    In terms of ADOPTION, I thought it was of an adoption by the church. Being added to their number. Acts 2:41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day. Acts 2:47 praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people. And the...
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    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Angels could have been present, but could they partner in the creation of humankind? (nope) John 1:2-4 NIV He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. [
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    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    So now you doubt the bodily resurrection? 1 Corinthians 15:13-15 NIV If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14 And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. 15 More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses...
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    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    The tomb was empty. Where did his physical body go? He cooked fish for his disciples and ate it with them. He invited Thomas to put his hands in his wounds. Same body? John 20:27 NIV Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side...
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    What is the initial evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit?

    Wick Stick said: I have had the same question. My best attempt at reconciling it follows... (I'm allowed to quote myself, right?) I wrote that about 9 years ago. Today I might quibble with a few word choices... mostly how I've written it so certainly. Its more of a...
  9. St. SteVen

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Was Jesus NOT born again? [
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    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Seriously? What was he in when he walked away from His own tomb? [
  11. St. SteVen

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    So, you deny that Jesus was quoting Psalm 22? Of course there are other interpretations. Two of them say that God will turn His back on us, and one says he will never leave or forsake us. (Deuteronomy 31:6) [
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    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    God is omnipresent. He is everywhere. There is nowhere that He isn't. [
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    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    The Bible footnote confirms my claim. Jesus was quoting Psalm 22:1. Matthew 27:46 NIV About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli,[a] lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”).[b] Footnotes Matthew 27:46 Some manuscripts Eloi...
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    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Aunty Jane said: Jesus, for the first time, felt his Father withdraw from him in order to allow his death I think this is a common misunderstanding of what was happening at the crucifixion. Father God did not turn His back on His only-begotten obedient Son. Jesus was...
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    attacking another denomination are included in this rule.

    St. SteVen said: It's not a second chance if you never had a first chance. Nothing is left to chance anyway. No. Everyone who has knees to bow and a tongue to speak, in heaven and on earth and under the earth (in the realm of the dead), will whole-heartedly, and without...
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    What is the initial evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit?

    Thanks for weighing in on this. What you experienced in the church was an extreme. And you had culture shock. How do you view these things now? [
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    What is the initial evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit?

    That would explain why the gospel is foolishness (gibberish) to those who are perishing. [
  18. St. SteVen

    What is the initial evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit?

    That's a curious view, and worth discussing. The question that comes immediately to me is whether redefining 'other tongues' has an impact on the list of gifts in 1 Cor. 12 or even on the other evidence of tongues in the book of Acts. Or whether it primarily applies to the outpouring at...
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    Eternal Torment Or Annihilation? What Happens To The Wicked

    That saw cuts both ways. Acts 15:10 NIV Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? Galatians 5:4 NIV You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen...
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    What is the initial evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit?

    St. SteVen said: I have heard of that theory. It begs a question about what the gift of the interpretation of tongues is for? That's a curious question. What do you think the relationship would be? The other thing would be what God is communicating to an individual. Two...