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I mean, we are called to take up our cross and die daily to self. Dying daily to the fleshly carnal nature is, in a sense, to beat and maim it by deprivation. Christ was obedient unto death and never gave in to the flesh, but subdued it utterly. When our whole being acknowledges that we have...

Anyway I'm done. Take care. PSA: Not every Christian has to be a Calvinist.

He was calling all of them to repent and to stop resisting. His will here was to draw all of them to Himself. Yet most of them were not drawn. Therefore, if Irresistible Grace is the mechanism by which God draws people, it is a contradiction in terms in view of said passage.

When Paul references this Psalm in Hebrews 3:11 he is certainly not speaking about temporal rest, but eternal rest.

And that's not even the point. God was calling all of them (referring to Psalm 95:11) to repentance. If Irresistible Grace were true, they would not have resisted God in the wilderness. Yet they did. That is all.

No, disagree. God was not only talking about having rest in this life. He swore in Hid wrath after 40 years that they would never enter His rest. That verse is talking about Eternal Rest. So you're incorrect there.

So now you're saying they fulfilled the law on their own without Christ's sacrifice.

We know that many from OT times will be in heaven though. Matthew 8:11 I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven.

What happened to the souls of God's people before Christ came then?

So according to you, they all go to hell? Wow

You guys realize that basically the entire OT disproves Irresistible Grace, don't you?

We don't. I'm not making any argument that we can pay for our own sins or raise ourselves from the dead. Only Christ can do this. Nowhere am I, or any other Armenian, denying this reality. Mind telling me why in pretty much the entire Old Testament God's relationship with Israel was constantly...

We do do something. We respond to the drawing. That is a fact most Calvinists will admit is compatible with Calvinism. Mind telling me why some Calvinists have problems with backsliding then?

Why dont you just tell me how you think Romans 5 supports the idea that God didn't give us free will. I'll be waiting.

It gave mankind a sin nature. That's what our free will got us. (Your quote)

Well, no kidding. Of course it does. You could make that general statement about the entire bible. I was asking what the story of Adam and Eve centers around? The choice that led to disobedience. That choice to disobey could only have been permitted by Free Will existing. Romans 5 doesn't make...

The entire bible itself commences with a story about free will, yet you're going to state that free will doesnt exist...

So much for Irresistible Grace being Irresistible...

Meaning we have no free will.

Are you suggesting that free will does not exist?