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  1. Truther

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    I was commenting on your idea that only Jesus gets a new body and not us. Which is wrong.
  2. Truther

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    How are we to eat of the tree of life as Jesus said in Rev 2 and found in Rev 22 if we have no new body?... 7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of...
  3. Truther

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    This is 1000 years before the last day.... Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
  4. Truther

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    No, there are 2 parts... 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits(THE CHURCH); afterward they that are Christ's at his coming(THE BEHEADED TRIB SAINTS).
  5. Truther

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    A physical resurrection is required to vindicate Jesus' words here... 7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
  6. Truther

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Exactly. This is a future event, even from Paul's day. It has not happened yet, but will. It is a detailed description of first part of the the first resurrection found in Rev 20(also 1 Cor 15).
  7. Truther

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    I think you misunderstood what I said. I have always known that the rest of the dead were not to be raised until the end of the world. This includes aborted babies etc.
  8. Truther

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    I am communicating terminology that began here... 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Which, you are a part of, correct?
  9. Truther

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    The rest of the dead are folks that died without specific salvation up to the first resurrection. They resurrect at Rev 20:14 to be judged per their works. The first resurrection is for the elect of God. It happens at the return of Christ. The saints of God are the only folks qualified to...
  10. Truther

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    The new heaven and new earth are inhabited by old saints with new bodies. These are not rebuilt heavens, earth and saints. All brand new.
  11. Truther

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    23 But every man in his own order: (1) Christ the firstfruits; (2) afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. The raptured saints...
  12. Truther

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13...
  13. Truther

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    So, you think we are resurrected to die to resurrect? Or, are we made alive spiritually via obeying Acts 2:38, qualifying us for the first resurrection after dying a physical death?
  14. Truther

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    The first resurrection is this.... 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received...
  15. Truther

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    By saying the first resurrection does not include us.
  16. Truther

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    You went way out in left field with your "interpretation". Here is the real "part" that the first resurrection consists of.... 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at...
  17. Truther

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    You metaphorized yourself right out of taking part in the first resurrection and his subsequent reign. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand...
  18. Truther

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.... 4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before...
  19. Truther

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Right, the second death is for those that disobeyed Acts 2:38, etc. The first resurrection is for those that get a new body as Jesus had after his resurrection and ate, drank etc, with them for 40 days. This is the (visible to all) body we return with Christ to earth with, per Rev 19 and Zech...
  20. Truther

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13...