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  1. Truther

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    No, the first resurrection is officially made complete in Rev 20 to come. Nobody has a new glorified body yet but Jesus. The saints that died are in this state of being right now.... 22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an...
  2. Truther

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    The Prophet Zech teaches it, about the same 2nd coming/forced worship during his reign, scenario.... 14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. 2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the...
  3. Truther

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Good question. The first resurrection is in 2 parts... 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. The Acts 2:38 adhering church, now, is the firstfruits and the beheaded saints of Rev 20 are those that are Christs to be...
  4. Truther

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    All you do is complain via paragraghs. I post passages that are self explanatory. I highlight words you don't like, evolving by blind biases in your mind.
  5. Truther

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    For clarification of scripture. Jesus is reigning right now over the willing. Satan reigns over the unwilling.(No man can serve 2 masters). The point of the millenial reign of Christ is to physically force His will over all earth's inhabitants. Thus, He reigns yet SHALL reign.
  6. Truther

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    These people of the earth survived the 1000 year millenial.... 7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the...
  7. Truther

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Preterists read the Bible backwards.
  8. Truther

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Rev 19 17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; 18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of...
  9. Truther

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    I only quoted scripture with 2-3 sentences of comment. You clearly read the scripture you are in opposition to. You know now, that the end of Rev 19 and the first half of Rev 20 are on earth, not heaven. Your long, drawn out "explanation" will never debunk the scripture to create a narrative...
  10. Truther

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    I will help you right now starting in the previous chapter.... Rev 19 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them...
  11. Truther

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    ... 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. 7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And...
  12. Truther

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    No?... 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their...
  13. Truther

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Agreed. I am all in regarding the 1000 year reign of Christ in the future.
  14. Truther

    22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

    Yes, the best argument to make is our own opinion, then let the bashers try to bash it.
  15. Truther

    Did God become human or was a human made God?

    Notice for the first time in your lives.... 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given(Present Tense on Earth): .... ...and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall(After His Resurrection) be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting...
  16. Truther

    Did God become human or was a human made God?

    Now here's the clincher. Our God(Jesus) does have a God. Jesus was made our God after his God made him omnipresent and "encapsulated Himself"(fully indwelled) him, bodily. God "God's" us thourgh his omnipresent son now, unlike on earth as he was in one place at a time. Jesus was made God...
  17. Truther

    Did God become human or was a human made God?

    Yes, thank you for the fix ;)
  18. Truther

    Did God become human or was a human made God?

    No, think of it in terms of 2 Cor 5:19 when reading Col 2:9.... 19 To wit, that God was in(inside) Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, .... 9 For in(inside) him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. This is the thing the RCC duped us about. Not a one of those folks...
  19. Truther

    Did God become human or was a human made God?

    My point is that the RCC has taught us to redefine the scripture in our heads to fit their narrative of an "incarnated God". When we see the word "word", we think of an individual person and not a voice of God. When we see written throughout the Bible, Jesus saying "my God", we train our...
  20. Truther

    Did God become human or was a human made God?

    Also, look... .... he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? 10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he ...