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Thanks for sharing. Yes, I was already aware of all of these writings. I have traced how the Papacy gained ascendancy in the West, and not in the East. Through Irenaeus’s Against Heresies (Book III, Chapter 3) we can trace the succession of Roman bishops, but not any serious argument for...

I'm really not assuming that, Mary. The eleven remaining apostles' authority to replace Judas is something I don't quibble with (although I might quibble with Psalm 69 as a logical basis for it, and I definitely quibble with interpreting Psalm 69 as a directive to do it). As others of the...

JT, I absolutely love this one: A Study of Apostolic Succession and Early Church Fathers Thanks for sharing. I agree with every word! Sorry that I am obtuse, but could you tell me one more time by what authority Linus (was it Linus? I think so) came to be not only the Bishop of Rome, but...

Yes, I know the history of the church, and no, this is not a discussion on the primacy of Peter - but rather on the primacy of Roman bishops coming after him. By "Pope #2" I was referring a bit sarcastically to the man who succeeded Peter as the Chief Grand Poobah in Rome. John Chrysostum’s...

You mean, like, Euodius in Antioch? Why would we assume that?

I have no opinion on this one way or another. I don't know by what authority Pope #2 came to office. Neither do you. What I do know is, the primacy of that guy over all other bishops worldwide DOES NOT FOLLOW from Peter's primacy over the other apostles.

You are missing my point -- AGAIN. I already conceded Peter's primacy. That is not the issue. The issue is the successive Roman bishops' primacy. Can't you keep your eye on the ball?

I don't challenge the validity of apostolic succession -- in fact, I think it is a mainstay of the Church (see my post #1489). But that is far different from the primacy of the Roman bishop as "Pope."

By doing so before he died. If Peter didn't do that, by whose authority did Pope #2 manage to gain the office? Luke 9:27, Mark 9:1, Matt. 16:28.

You haven't given evidence. Only argument based on speculation and possibility.

Wow! Someone who doesn't know me at all judges my character. my love of the "deep state," not caring about anyone but myself -- from a few online posts! What does this assessment reveals about YOU?

Who paid The Washington Post to fabricate its fact-checking?

I'm not a liberal. Ergo, I'm not a liberal RINO.

This doesn't get us very far. A "prime minister" (as you call Peter) appointed by Jesus and a successor "prime minister" appointed by Peter -- if indeed he appointed his Roman successor (how do we know that the second Bishop of Rome, be it Clement or Linus or whoever, wasn't elected by...

I am aware.

No. Stop painting me as a liberal just because I call a spade a spade -- and (removed)

Make me an offer.

He slings BS with the best of them! Our egotist-in-chief was and is simply unable to restrain his narcissism - and that is why he spins his canards nonstop. We all saw it over and over. If fabricated statistics would cast his presidency in a more favorable light, he claimed them as fact without...

You do NOT know me, or what I stand for. Why is it that anyone who identifies Trump's warts is automatically branded by you as leftist? Are you that much of a zealot that you can brook no disagreement regarding him?

I don't want Harris! Hell will freeze over before I vote for her! I am a lifelong Republican and plan to remain one. That doesn't mean I'm ignorant of the BS Trump has been peddling.